Predatory Photographers & How To Handle Them

P R E S T O N in other words: that’s exactly how it works in my experience.

I’m not going to produce names here, but I do hope they’re reading this thread.

Simon Carter said

P R E S T O N I didn’t say they were thought harmless or misunderstood.

Evidence of poor behaviour emerges only slowly. It’s easy to ignore the early rumours - and indeed mere rumours should be treated with some scepticism.

Unfortunately it’s easier to carry on ignoring the reports than it is to stop working with someone.

Doing so doesn’t mean you have an ‘affinity with their behaviour’ IME. It’s difficult to change how you view someone unless there’s a major event.

It’s harder still to actively challenge someone you consider a friend, especially when the evidence is all somewhat indirect.

The above is undoubtedly true, nevertheless my response was to your assertion that this happened when people knew the person was a creep, rather than when they had yet to accept that they were a creep:

Simon Carter said

... I was thinking more about photographers who work with people they know are creeps, not just models.

Broadly though, I think we're on the same page.

P R E S T O N

It’s difficult to be both precise and concise in a forum like this - apologies for any confusion :)

MidgePhoto said

art65 said

This sets me thinking..... Consultants and other medical practitioners have  code words when writing to GPs in the knowledge that the patient will get a copy of the letter "This lovely lady".....

Isn't that just irony? 

English provides many words which are of multiple meaning.

I thought it was pretty much taken as fact but I guess you would know if it was so?

This thread has also got me thinking about other unwanted attention that models are subjected to on shoots. By this I mean (by way of examples) when out shooting in public and get either stared out by onlookers or even called after. 

I did a shoot in Brighton with a model who was cat called by a man on the street. It visibly knocked her confidence for the rest of the shoot and I've moved location before because of crowds of men glaring at the model.

I know it's not always in the same scale as some of the examples given in the video but it's still comes under the belief that men with such intensions should just stop being so bloody creepy. 

JLavertyPhotography said

This thread has also got me thinking about other unwanted attention that models are subjected to on shoots. By this I mean (by way of examples) when out shooting in public and get either stared out by onlookers or even called after. 

I did a shoot in Brighton with a model who was cat called by a man on the street. It visibly knocked her confidence for the rest of the shoot and I've moved location before because of crowds of men glaring at the model.

I know it's not always in the same scale as some of the examples given in the video but it's still comes under the belief that men with such intensions should just stop being so bloody creepy. 

Oh gosh, yes. It can be horrid. The one good thing is that because they're not paying you, you (as the model) don't have to feel bad about telling them off. I was shooting on a naturist beach in Holland last summer with a lovely photographer, and I suddenly realised that a man who'd been standing behind him and watching, was in fact masturbating. I was so surprised that I just screamed "OH MY GOD!!!" and the photographer turned around and stared at him too, and he slunk off. It was really nice to present a united front 😬

This is why i have now pretty much stopped modelling though sites like this and just do work that comes through my agent. What a shame, well done guys for screwing it up for others....

Joceline Brooke-Hamilton said

JLavertyPhotography said

This thread has also got me thinking about other unwanted attention that models are subjected to on shoots. By this I mean (by way of examples) when out shooting in public and get either stared out by onlookers or even called after. 

I did a shoot in Brighton with a model who was cat called by a man on the street. It visibly knocked her confidence for the rest of the shoot and I've moved location before because of crowds of men glaring at the model.

I know it's not always in the same scale as some of the examples given in the video but it's still comes under the belief that men with such intensions should just stop being so bloody creepy. 

Oh gosh, yes. It can be horrid. The one good thing is that because they're not paying you, you (as the model) don't have to feel bad about telling them off. I was shooting on a naturist beach in Holland last summer with a lovely photographer, and I suddenly realised that a man who'd been standing behind him and watching, was in fact masturbating. I was so surprised that I just screamed "OH MY GOD!!!" and the photographer turned around and stared at him too, and he slunk off. It was really nice to present a united front 😬

I've had to exercise my "angry dad" stare on a couple of occasions!  ;-)

So sad that something so terrible has had to be laid down so beautiful to your viewers. I modelled myself for 5 years but only as a hobby but had instances of inappropriate behaviour from more than one photographer.....all of which had plenty of glowing references. From having my legs physically pushed apart to actually having a photographer jump on the bed to try and kiss me. I also hear stories about level pushing from models I now work with as a photographer. I do try and contact new models in my area when they join PP so I can perhaps steer them in the right direction......possibly to the detriment of my own popularity but helping them stay safe is far more important. Well done to you all for speaking out.....its the silence that aids these vile individuals.

Gothic Image said

Joceline Brooke-Hamilton said

JLavertyPhotography said

This thread has also got me thinking about other unwanted attention that models are subjected to on shoots. By this I mean (by way of examples) when out shooting in public and get either stared out by onlookers or even called after. 

I did a shoot in Brighton with a model who was cat called by a man on the street. It visibly knocked her confidence for the rest of the shoot and I've moved location before because of crowds of men glaring at the model.

I know it's not always in the same scale as some of the examples given in the video but it's still comes under the belief that men with such intensions should just stop being so bloody creepy. 

Oh gosh, yes. It can be horrid. The one good thing is that because they're not paying you, you (as the model) don't have to feel bad about telling them off. I was shooting on a naturist beach in Holland last summer with a lovely photographer, and I suddenly realised that a man who'd been standing behind him and watching, was in fact masturbating. I was so surprised that I just screamed "OH MY GOD!!!" and the photographer turned around and stared at him too, and he slunk off. It was really nice to present a united front 😬

I've had to exercise my "angry dad" stare on a couple of occasions!  ;-)

Me too - and I've got quite the angry dad face, especially at a group of tattoo artist who came out the have a gawk