Model Safety and Glympse

Ken P said

Ponderance said

Indeed. The real value of apps like these is that they enable people -- not just models -- to have the confidence to work alone, which isn't something that should be downplayed, I think (since by definition the confidence to work alone in a new field isn't something that can be easily conveyed by anyone else).

 

Apps like this do only one thing, they replace healthy common sense. It creates an unrealistic and unwarranted sense of safety. Next we will be recommending hardhats and steel toecap boots for location shoots. If someone had serious criminal intent, then the first victim will be the model's mobile phone. Also it is delegating first line responsibility to third parties.

Apps do NOT replace healthy common sense. They enhance it, and it is this limited approach that will cause more harm than good.

In security, or IT security for that matter, they use 'defence in depth' security features. Layered approach to mitigating risk. Common sense being one, apps being another, informing people of your whereabouts being a third.  You may not like risk mitigation, and it may not be something that you feel you need... 

But as a brother with several sisters... and a young girl on the way.... in day to day interaction women are at risk, so why not on modelling shoots (or on the way to them, as it may not even be the photographer we are talking about).

Also, nothing wrong with steel capped boots and hardhats.. seen some quality pictures on here with those implements....

Ken P said

Ponderance said

Indeed. The real value of apps like these is that they enable people -- not just models -- to have the confidence to work alone, which isn't something that should be downplayed, I think (since by definition the confidence to work alone in a new field isn't something that can be easily conveyed by anyone else).

 

Apps like this do only one thing, they replace healthy common sense. It creates an unrealistic and unwarranted sense of safety. Next we will be recommending hardhats and steel toecap boots for location shoots. If someone had serious criminal intent, then the first victim will be the model's mobile phone. Also it is delegating first line responsibility to third parties.

I think wearing steel toecaps is simple common sense in many situations, I wear them all the time (not literally every minute of every day, because I exercise some judgement in my choice of footware and match it to the situation) after a monitor at a gig slipped off a beer crate on to my foot, had I not been wearing steel-toe caps I would probably had broken bones. Your simple common sense doesn't actually sound like simple common sense to me. (DMs with steel toe-caps are much cheaper than fashion versions as they are classed as workwear).

What is taking first line responsibility in deciding whether to book a shoot with a photographer that you don't know in an unfamilar place ? Employing a private investigator to check their credibility 

Do these apps potentially put the photographer at risk.?

Say in the scenario I shoot at home, traditionally I share my address with the model and in turn she shares it with a third party , say her mother, my address has ended up with limited trusted third parties.

If they are using an app likes friendsfinder how widely is there location being shared , do like a thousand people know the address they are at with all its security implications?

Why persist in modelling if you perceive it to be likely or even just possible that you may be seriously harmed?

Unless you are half-witted.

imagery said

Do these apps potentially put the photographer at risk.?

 

Perhaps. But there's a trust network element to all of this. You can't really stop anyone sharing the location of your house once they know it, even if they've never been, can you? That is down to trust, discretion and etiquette. (I'd rather people didn't shoot selfies in my house and give away its location or contents without my permission, but that is just rudeness not anything else.)

Jubei Kibagami said

It is free, and allows a model (or a photographer if they fear for their safety too) to share their location for a time-specific period (ie: 2 hours). This can be extended if required via the app, and is a useful way of people being able to keep an eye on where you are, and ensure that you are going to and leaving the area at the prescribed times you say you are. 

The only thing missing from it is an alert function in case of trouble, but what it does do is ensure that somebody knows where you are and can track you in the event of any problems.

Does it work when the phone is turned off ?

Ken P said

Isn't this scaremongering? I don't recall a single case of attempted or actual abduction of PP models.

Isn't this actually just an equally useful replacement for previous safety workflows which models would use, which had so far equally resulted in your being unaware of any abduction cases? 

Jubei Kibagami said

So.. somebody tries to help and this is scaremongering... I wonder why I bother sometimes...

At no point have I gone: "ALL MODELS ARE IN DANGER.. PLEASE USE THIS APP".....

A couple of models I shot recently have stated they have had some interesting challenges in this industry especially around problematic shoots (and I didn't just target Purpleport, as there are other sites too).. 

But hey, because the "majority of attacks are by family, friends, and or acquiantances" I should not mention this for fear of "scaremongering".

Hold the phone.. photographer posts to help models safeguard themselves.... jheeze...

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Nothing wrong with highlighting safety issues, the app sounds like a good idea! 

Ken P said

Paul - P4U said

It is now second nature, since the 1970's for those old enough to remember.. to not leave bags unattended and to report them.. for good reason, it's not scaremongering.

Not a single explosive device has been discovered that way. Instead we have had needless evacuations and station closures. Terrorism is called that for a reason. You terrorise without actually doing something.

Not a single.. I'll give you 3 recent ones..

Boston bombers left their bags in trash cans & walked away... not discovered.. but certainly bombs left in untended baggage..

2 Men Who Found Unexploded Bomb in Chelsea Are Identified

Brussels Airport bomb in suitcase

Jubei Kibagami said

So.. somebody tries to help and this is scaremongering... I wonder why I bother sometimes...

At no point have I gone: "ALL MODELS ARE IN DANGER.. PLEASE USE THIS APP".....

A couple of models I shot recently have stated they have had some interesting challenges in this industry especially around problematic shoots (and I didn't just target Purpleport, as there are other sites too).. 

But hey, because the "majority of attacks are by family, friends, and or acquiantances" I should not mention this for fear of "scaremongering".

Hold the phone.. photographer posts to help models safeguard themselves.... jheeze...

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Thank you for this app suggestion - will look into it. Having known a kidnap victim (in my family even..), your find and trying to help, is much appreciated :)

(Not just when shooting etc. But in general, travelling far, late night out etc. )

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PHP-Photography said

Jubei Kibagami said

It is free, and allows a model (or a photographer if they fear for their safety too) to share their location for a time-specific period (ie: 2 hours). This can be extended if required via the app, and is a useful way of people being able to keep an eye on where you are, and ensure that you are going to and leaving the area at the prescribed times you say you are. 

The only thing missing from it is an alert function in case of trouble, but what it does do is ensure that somebody knows where you are and can track you in the event of any problems.

Does it work when the phone is turned off ?

Purely a locator. No extra safeguarding as far as I know, but is continually broadcasting up until point. There maybe better apps.. but it's better than no tracking at all I suppose!

Catherine Amanda Leigh said

Thank you for this app suggestion - will look into it. Having known a kidnap victim (in my family even..), your find and trying to help, is much appreciated :)

(Not just when shooting etc. But in general, travelling far, late night out etc. )

Let's hope that if you get kidnapped it will be by someone who has not seen any crime series on TV.

Lisaliz said

Why persist in modelling if you perceive it to be likely or even just possible that you may be seriously harmed?

Unless you are half-witted.

Why walk down the street?.. you might get run over...

I'll just look left and right, and use those things called traffic lights as an extra measure to ensure that I don't find myself under a bus.

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Jubei Kibagami said

Lisaliz said

Why persist in modelling if you perceive it to be likely or even just possible that you may be seriously harmed?

Unless you are half-witted.

Why walk down the street?.. you might get run over...

I'll just look left and right, and use those things called traffic lights as an extra measure to ensure that I don't find myself under a bus.

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Do you sleep in a bed ? Lots of people have died while sleeping in their beds.

People are notoriously bad at calculating risk.