Model Safety and Glympse

imagery said

Do these apps potentially put the photographer at risk.?

Say in the scenario I shoot at home, traditionally I share my address with the model and in turn she shares it with a third party , say her mother, my address has ended up with limited trusted third parties.

If they are using an app likes friendsfinder how widely is there location being shared , do like a thousand people know the address they are at with all its security implications?

 You let someone in your house, there is a risk. It's about a level of comfort for both IMHO.

I think the risks of anything like this are minimal. I'm just putting it out there, and people can do with the app what they wish.

This post wasn't a commentary on actual cases.

Lisaliz said

People are notoriously bad at calculating risk.

Proof: "You've been framed" 

Lisaliz said

People are notoriously bad at calculating risk.

Then people can use the app to minimise the risk. No risk is ever really removed.... otherwise life would be pretty boring!

Your phone can geotag you anywhere you want. It can follow your tracks and make others aware - if you want.

Personally this is overkill in the vast majority of cases.

There is far more chance of you accidently killing your own child in your car than them being abducted or abused.

Unfortunately shit does happen (I know this better than most ever will) but that's no reason to be overly paranoid.

Follow a few safety guidelines and be aware of your surroundings.

As Ive said before - common sense is a fucking superpower in the 21st century.

So this is an app to help people find the body?

Tuppence said

So this is an app to help people find the body?

Yes bc when I kill somone I will make sure that the battery is fully charged and that the phone is on.

Jubei Kibagami said

Hi guys,

I've been thinking about safeguarding etc.. of models on the site, especially after small convos with models and MUAs over the past few months. I have been over the past couple of months suggesting this app for models to use with their loved ones and friends called Glympse.

It is free, and allows a model (or a photographer if they fear for their safety too) to share their location for a time-specific period (ie: 2 hours). This can be extended if required via the app, and is a useful way of people being able to keep an eye on where you are, and ensure that you are going to and leaving the area at the prescribed times you say you are. 

The only thing missing from it is an alert function in case of trouble, but what it does do is ensure that somebody knows where you are and can track you in the event of any problems.

https://www.glympse.com/

Not necessarily the greatest of apps, but better than nothing!! It's in all app stores.

Dre

Great idea, never cosidered an app like this but I will probably try it out for new shoots :) it will make my partner feel better if nothing else 

I found it helpful, not scaremongering. 

Thanks :)

Someone suggests something, others pile in to rip the piss out of them. 

Just another normal day on planet purple.

I've been meaning to get one of these apps for a long time.

Not because of I'm scared of you guys!

But because I work abroad regularly, so often my partner knows what country I'm in, sometimes the different towns. I know I could write down where I would be and when but it would add alot more work to find out specifically where I am going to be from foreign photographers especially if it's a forest and then spend the time to write it all down for my partner.

I have sometimes wondered when I'm being driven an hour to the coast at 5am, that if I go missing the police would have to go through all my pp messages to work out where I might be.

It is defiantly a good idea as you never know what can happen even once you've left the shoot and on your way home.

Edited by Elle Beth

Pottsy said

Someone suggests something, others pile in to rip the piss out of them. 

Just another normal day on planet purple.

Quite.  

I just want to add that this is a space where -- in general, not just internet modelling -- there is legislation and quite a broad safety effort. There are more risks to working alone than the dramatic risks in the counterexamples above.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lone_worker 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lone_worker_monitoring 

There's a lot that can be learned by exploring what lone worker safety means, and how structuring some support systems means you can go about your work knowing that the more mundane risks (getting lost at in the dark, running out of fuel miles from nowhere) etc. are somewhat mitigated by automated support.

But as I've mentioned before, I am risk-averse. I like to think about this stuff and understand how I might balance out my risk-averseness.

Pottsy said

Someone suggests something, others pile in to rip the piss out of them. 

Just another normal day on planet purple.

I get worse on Twitter.... at least people are being half decently polite. 

You get told to interact with the community and when you do, people shoot you down. Think this covers it...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfWlot6h_JM

Pottsy said

Someone suggests something, others pile in to rip the piss out of them. 

Just another normal day on planet purple.

I simply disagree with the idea as far as it applies to model safety. Nothing about ripping the piss, I simply have a mind of my own.

Case in point with us: my model partner heads off down to Bristol to meet a photographer she's shot with before, assuming the shoot would take place (as before) at a Bristol hotel. She messages me to say she's been collected from the train station and is now heading with him to the shoot.

Much later, she messages to say she's arrived at the venue, but she's not sure where it actually is: I check Find Friends and see she's actually at a cottage near to the Wales/Gloucestershire border and nowhere near where she was supposed to have been shooting!

Now if something had happened to her, I'd at least have a clue as to where her phone was last located (her iPhone is also set to send its location just before it runs out of power as well). It's a start, at least.

Case in point 2: my daughter was travelling in Vietnam, Thailand and Cambodia and was in Cambodia when her phone was snatched. I was able to locate her and also where her phone was after it was stolen until they shut it off (and using Find My Phone we set it to be useless to them after it's turned on again).

Case in point 3: my partner can track me when I'm travelling as I tend to visit some slightly dodgy areas of the world and often cannot call or message to let her know where I am, but the phone lets her know where I am if she's worried.

Case in point 4: a model I saw for a short while used to use the feature when she was seeing me to see where her partner was and check he wasn't about to burst in on us...

imagery said

Do these apps potentially put the photographer at risk.?

Say in the scenario I shoot at home, traditionally I share my address with the model and in turn she shares it with a third party , say her mother, my address has ended up with limited trusted third parties.

If they are using an app likes friendsfinder how widely is there location being shared , do like a thousand people know the address they are at with all its security implications?

I'd never go out without telling my mum or my partner where I am. Because that's dangerous.......

Laura Loveless said

I'd never go out without telling my mum or my partner where I am. Because that's dangerous.......

They beat you up if you won't tell them ? :)