Travel costs a discussion

 

indemnity said, 1713604409

This reminds me of The New Statesman sketch with Rik Mayall and Piers Fletcher-Dervish, (can't find sketch link sorry).....Do you have any idea how much it costs to run a Bentley theses days Piers....

itakefotos_ said, 1713606479

It's obviously one of those electric cars and she needs to buy 300 AAA batteries.

Huw said, 1713607777

Pretty obvious she wanted to cancel the shoot at the last minute and avoid a negative reference.

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Huw said, 1713607766

... seems to have worked too.

Gothic Image said, 1713609511

itakefotos_ said

It's obviously one of those electric cars and she needs to buy 300 AAA batteries.


Have you seen the Mercedes AA Class video?  :-)

Owen Lloyd said, 1713614027

Allesandro B said

Owen Lloyd said

These are the Inland Revenue travel allowances used by employers in the UK:-

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/rates-and-allowances-travel-mileage-and-fuel-allowances/travel-mileage-and-fuel-rates-and-allowances

It's £0.45 per mile in a car,  for up to 10,000 miles per year.  It's the same regardless of the size of your car or engine:  it's your choice if you drive a car that uses a lot of fuel per mile, and tbh, the cost per mile in a car isn't just about fuel.   A 50-mile round trip is therefore £22.50


That's not the cost it's what HMRC allow as a deduction. If as a photographer someone wants to contribute to the full running costs of a model's car (who is highly likely to be part time and modelling as a side hustle and not declaring the income) that's their choice, however if someone quotes me 45p a mile that's the end of the conversation.


Yes, it's an allowance - sorry if that wasn't clear Allesandro - I confused the message talking about costs. My point is it's independent of the actual costs of running a car and I think it's a reasonable amount for travel expenses.  However, I do tend to just do what Orson Carter and Carlos do and ask for an all-in cost for the day.

itakefotos_ said, 1713616036

Gothic Image said

itakefotos_ said

It's obviously one of those electric cars and she needs to buy 300 AAA batteries.


Have you seen the Mercedes AA Class video?  :-)


Curiosity got the better of me so I have now Thanks :) 

Allesandro B said, 1713616182

Owen Lloyd said

Allesandro B said

Owen Lloyd said

These are the Inland Revenue travel allowances used by employers in the UK:-

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/rates-and-allowances-travel-mileage-and-fuel-allowances/travel-mileage-and-fuel-rates-and-allowances

It's £0.45 per mile in a car,  for up to 10,000 miles per year.  It's the same regardless of the size of your car or engine:  it's your choice if you drive a car that uses a lot of fuel per mile, and tbh, the cost per mile in a car isn't just about fuel.   A 50-mile round trip is therefore £22.50


That's not the cost it's what HMRC allow as a deduction. If as a photographer someone wants to contribute to the full running costs of a model's car (who is highly likely to be part time and modelling as a side hustle and not declaring the income) that's their choice, however if someone quotes me 45p a mile that's the end of the conversation.


Yes, it's an allowance - sorry if that wasn't clear Allesandro - I confused the message talking about costs. My point is it's independent of the actual costs of running a car and I think it's a reasonable amount for travel expenses.  However, I do tend to just do what Orson Carter and Carlos do and ask for an all-in cost for the day.


I do a similar thing, the total is the most important amount, although I ask for a split between rate and travel.

John Moore Creative Photography said, 1713617218

Extortionate, tax office 40p/m so 50 miles £20

indemnity said, 1713617515

Gothic Image said

itakefotos_ said

It's obviously one of those electric cars and she needs to buy 300 AAA batteries.


Have you seen the Mercedes AA Class video?  :-)


https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=200452841739689 


Carlos said, 1713646287

Allesandro B said

Owen Lloyd said

Allesandro B said

Owen Lloyd said

These are the Inland Revenue travel allowances used by employers in the UK:-

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/rates-and-allowances-travel-mileage-and-fuel-allowances/travel-mileage-and-fuel-rates-and-allowances

It's £0.45 per mile in a car,  for up to 10,000 miles per year.  It's the same regardless of the size of your car or engine:  it's your choice if you drive a car that uses a lot of fuel per mile, and tbh, the cost per mile in a car isn't just about fuel.   A 50-mile round trip is therefore £22.50


That's not the cost it's what HMRC allow as a deduction. If as a photographer someone wants to contribute to the full running costs of a model's car (who is highly likely to be part time and modelling as a side hustle and not declaring the income) that's their choice, however if someone quotes me 45p a mile that's the end of the conversation.


Yes, it's an allowance - sorry if that wasn't clear Allesandro - I confused the message talking about costs. My point is it's independent of the actual costs of running a car and I think it's a reasonable amount for travel expenses.  However, I do tend to just do what Orson Carter and Carlos do and ask for an all-in cost for the day.


I do a similar thing, the total is the most important amount, although I ask for a split between rate and travel.

I’m curious…..why would you want a split.  A cost is a cost, isn’t it?  If you buy kit, delivery is part of the cost.  If you buy a property legal and other fees are part of the cost.  

Allesandro B said, 1713653754

Carlos said

Allesandro B said

Owen Lloyd said

Allesandro B said

Owen Lloyd said

These are the Inland Revenue travel allowances used by employers in the UK:-

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/rates-and-allowances-travel-mileage-and-fuel-allowances/travel-mileage-and-fuel-rates-and-allowances

It's £0.45 per mile in a car,  for up to 10,000 miles per year.  It's the same regardless of the size of your car or engine:  it's your choice if you drive a car that uses a lot of fuel per mile, and tbh, the cost per mile in a car isn't just about fuel.   A 50-mile round trip is therefore £22.50


That's not the cost it's what HMRC allow as a deduction. If as a photographer someone wants to contribute to the full running costs of a model's car (who is highly likely to be part time and modelling as a side hustle and not declaring the income) that's their choice, however if someone quotes me 45p a mile that's the end of the conversation.


Yes, it's an allowance - sorry if that wasn't clear Allesandro - I confused the message talking about costs. My point is it's independent of the actual costs of running a car and I think it's a reasonable amount for travel expenses.  However, I do tend to just do what Orson Carter and Carlos do and ask for an all-in cost for the day.


I do a similar thing, the total is the most important amount, although I ask for a split between rate and travel.

I’m curious…..why would you want a split.  A cost is a cost, isn’t it?  If you buy kit, delivery is part of the cost.  If you buy a property legal and other fees are part of the cost.  


It's probably an extension of my professional life. I like to know the detail. But also if a model is relying on public transport it might be easier and more cost effective and viable for me to travel to the model. There are models that are a 30 min drive away from me but a 2 hour train ride because they have to go in and out of London. The consequence of that is not only that their travel cost will be way more but they will want to shoot for longer to justify the travel time.

Alyssa Taylor said, 1713654772

Allesandro B The HMRC recommendation is 45p a mile so she is completely in the right. I personally charge 20p a mile.

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Sensual Art said, 1713662796

Alice18 said

Allesandro B The HMRC recommendation is 45p a mile so she is completely in the right. I personally charge 20p a mile.

It's not their "recommendation".  Rather, it's the maximum you can claim tax-free.  (Further small print also applies)

Stu H said, 1713679811

Sensual Art

" It's not their "recommendation". Rather, it's the maximum you can claim tax-free. (Further small print also applies) "

This gets ignored everytime a travel cost post is made ...

People can charge what they want, as long as they declare it correctly.

A point made way back on page 2.

Edited by Stu H