Anyone else noticed: Engaging properly in debate is hard for some without false lazy stereotyping?

I agree.

How long before someone squeals the word "Woke"?

Edited by Huw

How long before this is locked or sin-binned? :-(

I am looking forward to the new Dr who, I think it will be as good as when Eccleston was the Dr.

I can't wait!

Putting an image of Jordan Peterson 

Lenswonder said

I am looking forward to the new Dr who, I think it will be as good as when Eccleston was the Dr.

I can't wait!

I agree, it looks really good! I think the characters are going to be really strong, something I felt was missing the last few seasons. 

I like being a member of Purpleport. But I realised a long time ago it’s definitely not a site for open debate. I keep seeing a clip of Elon Musk saying that free speech is about letting people you don’t like say things you don’t like. I abhor Elon Musk. However long ago I realised that this principle is NOT what Purpleport is about.

Sweetness and light, positivity, that appears to be the Purpleport ethic. It’s a privately owned site as far as I know, and encourages viewpoints which align with whatever the owner likes at that point in time.

I reiterate, I like Purpleport, l’ve just renewed my annual sub. It’s a good place to post photos. It’s not, in my view l, a place for (non trivial) debate.

Ah. Spin off from a locked thread.   That one seemed leap from "Does the media assemble unrealistic combinations of people in order to to represent every possible demographic exactly once?", to "if you notice the demographics or have a view on realistic combinations that is one or more nasty -isms at work".  

It is increasingly difficult to have a debate without

• someone accusing someone else of having views which are group-ist, or a nasty-ism.
• someone accusing someone else of being woke (often because they made accusations of group-ism)
• someone accusing someone else of virtual signalling
• someone asserting their God-given right to behave an unreasonable or unpleasant way
• someone insisting that anyone who doesn't behave in a way they approve of has forfeited some right or set of rights (and the more niche the behaviour the greater the loss of rights)  
• someone insisting that something ordinary is actually a conspiracy against them. 

Whilst a recent thread on the boundaries for the use of "Girl" to describe someone (I'm trying to get people to use "to girl" as a verb in this context as in "he girls every female he deals with")  was interesting it had all of these. And I find on some subjects people I would agree with can't make their point without falling into one of those.  

ADWsPhotos it's a photography/model etc portfolio site, why would it be a place for serious debates? I'm sure there are loads of places on the internet for that.

I think it should be an even kinder, nicer, more enjoyable place for creatives to network :)

Sometimes I miss the days of vanbrighaus et all.

The forums of even 5 years ago were so much a different place than today.

General Politics was considered such a hotbed of wrath and slime that it was taken off the main fora and placed in its own little section.

Now... its a ghost of what it was.

But that's echoed throught the forums ... lively discussion is quite rare; new threads are rare; models - once a lively and welcome (who can forget the likes of RaraGoesRoar for example) - now rare and their input is stamped on rather quickly.

The forums in general are a slither of the shadow they used to be.

It's a photography/networking site. Politics really have no place here, that can be done elsewhere. It's not what it used to be for sure, the membership will come and go, as a business model the idea is to increase membership and revenue whilst providing what it was established for. That's what it continues to do.

Holly Alexander I’m assuming you’re reinforcing my point?

ADWsPhotos if that's your point then of course

Holly Alexander good

Nothing new, really. Extremists of all flavors have always had a worldview that was sufficiently skewed that the same words have sufficiently different meanings as to make any real conversations--much less debate--between one extremist and another on the opposite end of the scale impractical or impossible. Someone who believes, for example, that the world is flat isn't going to have a productive discussion with someone who thinks it's roughly spherical. That hasn't changed. 

What has changed is that the normal distribution (the bell curve) of positions/worldviews/beliefs appears to have inverted: there seems to be more people at the far ends of each spectrum than in the center. That applies for most spectrum you can imagine, whether political, social, economic, or any other belief system (not the reality, but beliefs). The internet has exacerbated this in general; while the potential for exposure to a very broad and diverse discussion is present, what appears to be far more common is that most people find a group that believes what/how they believe, and that's their 'normal'. Whether it's centrist or extremist. Since everyone they know believes such-and-so, anyone who doesn't think that way gets lumped into a box labeled extremist, and thus dismissed out of hand.

Holly Alexander said

ADWsPhotos it's a photography/model etc portfolio site, why would it be a place for serious debates? I'm sure there are loads of places on the internet for that.

I think it should be an even kinder, nicer, more enjoyable place for creatives to network :)

When you are a world away from the very prolific model shoot period (all TFI btw) that you enjoyed some 10 to15 years ago ... the social and 'banter' and random debate opportunities (and entertainment factor) on Purpleport fora ... end up being an important and key factor in renewing your annual membership subscription.

Total honesty from me there.