Fuji Cameras - Venting

Danny. said

Nothing wrong with a cropped sensor.

Absolutely phones have a cropped, cropped, cropped and cropped again sensor....they manage to take snaps and video.

Huw said

Canon R8 weighs nothing, AF is incredible.

Or consider adding one of the crop frame Sonys (a6700) and the brilliant Sigma crop frame prime lenses?

I'm too invested in the fuji system to divest now.  I just hope they fix this and fast.

Huw said

If you can cope with the Sony user interface - which you can - I'd go all Sony.

I have the sony A9 and love it.  But, frankly, the ease and cost of the Fuji is hard to beat.  Especially for travel.  

Lightingman said

Gray2 said

I have been a Fuji user for many years and never had a problem with updating to the latest firmware.

However over the last couple of years Fuji seem to have had a problem with some of their updates for some reason. So I have stopped downloading the latest firmware from them and will wait until others have found no problem or Fuji have issued an update to the update. A shame as it never used to be like this.

Yes, as all ( as far as I know) "updates" are non reversible- you can never go back to an earlier version,  occasionally "updates" have had to be issued which did exactly that , so eg 1.04 could actually be 1.02-again- because 1.03 had been a problem.  

I'm hoping this is fixed in the next iteration.  It's maddening to have a 2024 camera that, in this setting, acts like a 2010 camera.

Lightingman said

Firstly I think a great many people use crop, APS-C sensors, they are a pretty popular choice.

You appear to have a fair amount of 'gear' if you have both Sony and Fuji, with incompatible lens mounts so more gear.

If as it is proving the Sony is the better system to use for a particular job, well that's the kit to use.

Maybe me but I prefer to be in control of the focus so not a fan of any AI options, but one reads they are ( can be) great.

I've got Canon (FF) and Fuji, I like and enjoy both in a 'horses for courses' way. 

I pull out the Sony for low light and portrait.  I use the Fuji for fun, travel, street and nature hikes.  For the latter, the size really matters.  And I have found the quality to be top notch.  I still use my XT20 with my manual lenses.  Love the Fooj.  Hate the Fooj AF!

Tim Pile said

I understand that this is a bug with the latest firmware update, with continuous AF. I've never had any problems with focus with any of my Fuji cameras since I started using them in 2015, but I generally use single AF.
I also NEVER do a firmware or OS upgrade on my camera/phone/computer etc until at least 3 months after release, so that I can see whether the release has issues, which happens with all camera/phone/computer/gadget manufacturers. You become cautious like that if you work in the IT industry!

That is the best advice: sit on a firmware update until the kinks are worked out. 

Dabhand16 said

What AF mode are you using and is subject detection in the mix?

Edited by Dabhand16

The specific issue is continuous AF with eye detect.  The green box locks on the eyes yet the camera focuses on the closest bit, not where the box tells it to.  Other AF modes seem to be functional.  I think.  

Dino.3000 said

The specific issue is continuous AF with eye detect.  The green box locks on the eyes yet the camera focuses on the closest bit, not where the box tells it to.  Other AF modes seem to be functional.  I think.  

Most camera system can have their foibles with eye detect.    Not used my Fujis in your situation but when I use the eye detect is has been OK.  I've seen a YouTube video that on the Fujis the lens can make a difference.  Long time ago now but IIRC one was a 56mm one that had issues.

Maybe if you could do some testing starting with easier situatins and progressing to the actual use to see if there is anything that can be done in the settings/lens choice?

Dino.3000 said

Dabhand16 said

What AF mode are you using and is subject detection in the mix?

Edited by Dabhand16

The specific issue is continuous AF with eye detect.  The green box locks on the eyes yet the camera focuses on the closest bit, not where the box tells it to.  Other AF modes seem to be functional.  I think.  

People expect WAY too much from generic (and lazy) AF settings.

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I would rather have LOTS OF tunable settings that made small but meaningful differences vs very very few (especially on anything but the most expensive (very Pro) models that money can buy.

The fact that Canon and Nikon bodies could have / still have decent, if not 'perfect' (as they bloody well should after decades) AF (standard-esque setting performance) from their 2007-2012+ ish offerings, should not be surprising.

However back from approx 2010-2015 ... increasingly both Canon and Nikon were very obviously and IMVHO cynically 'sitting on their hands' and quasi 'holding back' from throwing (100%) many £millions into transitioning into mirrorless (in a way that, credit to them, SONY so obviously DID at that time). I didn't/ don't want a Full Frame sensor (OR smaller than APS-C size either). So 'back then' Panasonic/0lympus were evolving Micro 4/3rds very nicely ... but only Fuji had the foresight to avoid FF and Micro 4/3rds ... and commit 'all in' to APS-C with their Mirrorless future.

From using Micro 4/3rds for a brief while ... It was night n day obvious just how much more accurate in critical AF situtaions the mirrorless 'AF off the sensor' tech was. I discounted how much slower and not in thensame league AFC tracking vs 'Single Shot' was back then. It wa all about how amazing consistent the focus accuracy was when shooting at (e.g. f1.2 at close quarter distances).

It was an absoulte revelation!! 😍😍 That and all the many other WYSIWYG advantages.

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I have been on my Fuji journey since about 2013/2014 (whilst still continuing using Canon EOS still, after around 25+ years at that point in time).

The fact that at that point in time I mentally/consciously further committed to Fuji (from X100S 'gateway drug' 🤣) ... into a Fuji (X) lens system (X-E2 and various zoom amd prime lenses), says a lot re: what Canon (or Nikon) were NOT giving me options on.

So ... From around that time ... until (for me) until the time when Canon eventually decided it was 'mirroless Prime Time' and launched R5 and R6 models - I gained (5+?) years of AF mirrorless advantages.

Fast forward to nearer to now ... and my X-E2, X-T2, X-H1 journey needed a (huge AF leap) to catch up with the now (unfeasibly awesome Sony AF mirrorless performance, and to a lesser degree Canon/Nikon, who had 'got serious', albeit woefully belatedly).

So I jumped on the X-H2s. The performance was now better than older Pro Canon DSLRs on the whole, but not R6/R5/R3 matching.

Yet my latest firmware has made my X-H2s the best it has ever been 😍

Do you have to turn OFF face detect / animal / other 'detect' in specific circumstances? YES. Is that piss easy to do quickly YES.

Am I splitting hairs more and more in 2024 era - YES 🙏🤪 A few 'false positives' in AI intelligent focus detection modes I can easily live with / work around.

Are the Fuji AF user-tunable settings now more convoluted and complex / spread out than ever - YES 🤣 😒

Would I rather have a tad better 'Joe Average Photographer', 'AF Green Square Idiot Mode' (and lose some of the menu setting nunaces of what you can experiment between with now) ... NO !

I have duly noted (and tried to ignore) some immature and Fuji user 'baiting' YouTube videos recently posted.

IF instead they were from some (e.g. Birds in Flight expert / sports / niche area) shooter that I respected and knew had a long history in understanding how to set up AF in a better way ... AND better circumnavigate Fuji quirks ... that would be something else.

Interestingly ... there is increasingly less and less 'negative noise' from the latter space.

BEST ADVICE - (Brand Agnostic):

Get (AF) and other tech settings tips from known experts and longstanding well-regarded names on genre specific forums (the more geeky and narrower the better) ... not from attention seeking and shit-stiring 'click seeking' folk that often know JACK SHIT re: how to set up different brand caneras, that they DON'T already have 100s or 1,000s of hours 'real use' experince with !!

🫣🤣

Edited by Aardvark🎯VonEssfolk

Aardvark🎯VonEssfolk don't you just love the camera reviews on YT the day after release of a new model with the 'full in-depth report' after just a weekends use. Everyone tripping through a spec sheet and throwing in a few mundane snaps supporting the 'expert's' review along with a few 'best settings' and they have no idea what you intend using it for.

indemnity said

Aardvark🎯VonEssfolk don't you just love the camera reviews on YT the day after release of a new model with the 'full in-depth report' after just a weekends use. Everyone tripping through a spec sheet and throwing in a few mundane snaps supporting the 'expert's' review along with a few 'best settings' and they have no idea what you intend using it for.

There is lots that I generally absolutely HATE about 'the internet' in circa 2024 vs 2004 😒😭

We have imported way too much of the 'hype' and 'hyperbole' culture from outside of the UK (and worse still, some of the more moderate, US / Far East or elsewhere 'notables' are dying out / deciding they cannot be arsed with mixing up their modus opernadi to be more 'trivila social media' inclusive. So sad really 🤬😓

Dino.3000 perhaps you could post up the lens/camera settings/iso/shutter/focal length you are using that are not being consistent achieving the images required. I'm sure there would be some weathered and experienced Fuji users on here who could give some pointers and suggestions on how to get the best out of what you're using.

Aardvark🎯VonEssfolk said

Dino.3000 said

Dabhand16 said

What AF mode are you using and is subject detection in the mix?

Edited by Dabhand16

The specific issue is continuous AF with eye detect.  The green box locks on the eyes yet the camera focuses on the closest bit, not where the box tells it to.  Other AF modes seem to be functional.  I think.  

People expect WAY too much from generic (and lazy) AF settings.

-

I would rather have LOTS OF tunable settings that made small but meaningful differences vs very very few (especially on anything but the most expensive (very Pro) models that money can buy.

The fact that Canon and Nikon bodies could have / still have decent, if not 'perfect' (as they bloody well should after decades) AF (standard-esque setting performance) from their 2007-2012+ ish offerings, should not be surprising.

However back from approx 2010-2015 ... increasingly both Canon and Nikon were very obviously and IMVHO cynically 'sitting on their hands' and quasi 'holding back' from throwing (100%) many £millions into transitioning into mirrorless (in a way that, credit to them, SONY so obviously DID at that time). I didn't/ don't want a Full Frame sensor (OR smaller than APS-C size either). So 'back then' Panasonic/0lympus were evolving Micro 4/3rds very nicely ... but only Fuji had the foresight to avoid FF and Micro 4/3rds ... and commit 'all in' to APS-C with their Mirrorless future.

From using Micro 4/3rds for a brief while ... It was night n day obvious just how much more accurate in critical AF situtaions the mirrorless 'AF off the sensor' tech was. I discounted how much slower and not in thensame league AFC tracking vs 'Single Shot' was back then. It wa all about how amazing consistent the focus accuracy was when shooting at (e.g. f1.2 at close quarter distances).

It was an absoulte revelation!! 😍😍 That and all the many other WYSIWYG advantages.

-

I have been on my Fuji journey since about 2013/2014 (whilst still continuing using Canon EOS still, after around 25+ years at that point in time).

The fact that at that point in time I mentally/consciously further committed to Fuji (from X100S 'gateway drug' 🤣) ... into a Fuji (X) lens system (X-E2 and various zoom amd prime lenses), says a lot re: what Canon (or Nikon) were NOT giving me options on.

So ... From around that time ... until (for me) until the time when Canon eventually decided it was 'mirroless Prime Time' and launched R5 and R6 models - I gained (5+?) years of AF mirrorless advantages.

Fast forward to nearer to now ... and my X-E2, X-T2, X-H1 journey needed a (huge AF leap) to catch up with the now (unfeasibly awesome Sony AF mirrorless performance, and to a lesser degree Canon/Nikon, who had 'got serious', albeit woefully belatedly).

So I jumped on the X-H2s. The performance was now better than older Pro Canon DSLRs on the whole, but not R6/R5/R3 matching.

Yet my latest firmware has made my X-H2s the best it has ever been 😍

Do you have to turn OFF face detect / animal / other 'detect' in specific circumstances? YES. Is that piss easy to do quickly YES.

Am I splitting hairs more and more in 2024 era - YES 🙏🤪 A few 'false positives' in AI intelligent focus detection modes I can easily live with / work around.

Are the Fuji AF user-tunable settings now more convoluted and complex / spread out than ever - YES 🤣 😒

Would I rather have a tad better 'Joe Average Photographer', 'AF Green Square Idiot Mode' (and lose some of the menu setting nunaces of what you can experiment between with now) ... NO !

I have duly noted (and tried to ignore) some immature and Fuji user 'baiting' YouTube videos recently posted.

IF instead they were from some (e.g. Birds in Flight expert / sports / niche area) shooter that I respected and knew had a long history in understanding how to set up AF in a better way ... AND better circumnavigate Fuji quirks ... that would be something else.

Interestingly ... there is increasingly less and less 'negative noise' from the latter space.

BEST ADVICE - (Brand Agnostic):

Get (AF) and other tech settings tips from known experts and longstanding well-regarded names on genre specific forums (the more geeky and narrower the better) ... not from attention seeking and shit-stiring 'click seeking' folk that often know JACK SHIT re: how to set up different brand caneras, that they DON'T already have 100s or 1,000s of hours 'real use' experince with !!

🫣🤣

Edited by Aardvark🎯VonEssfolk

So, basically you buy a car with smart cruise control that does not work and your response is, to paraphrase, that is whiny click-bait because it is a lazy feature and you should be driving yourself and don't have expectations that the product you buy provides the features it advertises.  Practice driving.  

Okay.  I have a ballroom dance competition to photograph on Saturday and I have to go practice manual focus on fast moving subjects.  

indemnity said

Dino.3000 perhaps you could post up the lens/camera settings/iso/shutter/focal length you are using that are not being consistent achieving the images required. I'm sure there would be some weathered and experienced Fuji users on here who could give some pointers and suggestions on how to get the best out of what you're using.

This is a specific fault in a specific setting.  It does not happen in other settings like single-point AF.  I am very optimistic that this will be rectified.  In the meantime, I have a ballroom competition that I would like to photograph and I don't know how far and deep this continuous AF glitch goes.  Maybe zone AF will work.  I am not going to experiment overly much and just bring my Sony A9.  I just don't trust the cont-AF at the moment.    

Dino.3000 said

indemnity said

Dino.3000 perhaps you could post up the lens/camera settings/iso/shutter/focal length you are using that are not being consistent achieving the images required. I'm sure there would be some weathered and experienced Fuji users on here who could give some pointers and suggestions on how to get the best out of what you're using.

This is a specific fault in a specific setting.  It does not happen in other settings like single-point AF.  I am very optimistic that this will be rectified.  In the meantime, I have a ballroom competition that I would like to photograph and I don't know how far and deep this continuous AF glitch goes.  Maybe zone AF will work.  I am not going to experiment overly much and just bring my Sony A9.  I just don't trust the cont-AF at the moment.    

Fair enough. I have no experience with Fuji, however, I have found some lenses struggle in challenging light conditions more so than others in the same lighting conditions, not getting accurate or rather consistent focus in particular conditions. Sometimes it can be the lens not getting along with the focussing system for a given range of lighting conditions/aperture/iso level. That was the reason for the suggestion.