Fuji Cameras - Venting

Huw said

 

Possibly even a few who use Canon DSLRs and can get them to focus accurately?

;)

I don't have any problem focussing an old entry-level Canon DSLR. 

I'm a bit baffled why some folk have such problems with posh cameras. 

Orson Carter said

Huw said

 

Possibly even a few who use Canon DSLRs and can get them to focus accurately?

;)

I don't have any problem focussing an old entry-level Canon DSLR. 

I'm a bit baffled why some folk have such problems with posh cameras. 

I never had a problem either, but apparently it can happen  ;)

Aardvark🎯VonEssfolk said

Really ... the hyperbole 'everthing is broken and rubbish' inflated hyperbole is just so pathetically ridiculous and childish ... It is so tedious and false! 😴😴

I can show you such a wealth of amazing photography from (not just Fuji) photographers that really know their sh*t 

so pathetically ridiculous and childish ... It is so tedious and false  <voice of Sir Humphrey Appleby> Or Marketing as it is commonly called. </voice>

I was doing a trawl through famous / great photos and of course most of them were taken on film with manual focus cameras.
There certainly is a "photographers who really know their shit can work within whatever limitations the camera places on them". I have to admit I find cameras designed for AF are harder to focus manually than my memory manual focus cameras.

I think we've reached a silly position: we take a shot from 1M with an 85 f/1.4 wide open so the there's almost zero depth of field and complain that we when we look at the pixels at 400% - like  putting a film neg under a microscope -  the camera focused 1 mm in front or behind the optimum. My manual focusing wasn't millimetre perfect, but when I made prints I didn't see the error. Now I can see and be dissatisfied with errors that aren't visible in an A3 print. 

After getting rid of FF Nikon I went to Fuji for all of the above reasons.

XT1, XT2. XT3. and now XT5 and an XT30.

Crop sensor is not a problem. I don't even notice it. But I do like the weight, shape, build and controls.

I don't take images of cyclists, athletes, weddings nor anything remotely related to earning a living. Just still images of various models.

I never use Eye or face detection.

Just single point focusand I move the green point to where I want it. I don't use the semi press of the shutter button to ho;d the focus.

When it is all where I want it to be I press the shutter.

I do get focus failures but they are due to my incompetence.

I am not looking for hundreds of fantastic images from a shoot. A handful is quite sufficient. My brain can't come up with a lot of ideas.

It’s sobering joining the Canon R6mk2 group on Facebook.

So many people who bought a camera and thousands of dollars worth of L lenses, but can’t be bothered to read the instruction book, asking why their photos are crap.

It’s phenomenally powerful, with the AF from the R3, but it took me about 12 hours over a weekend to set up. Almost never misses focus or exposure with stills. 

I haven’t quite got the video AF sorted, but that’s my fault, not the camera.

Huw said

It’s sobering joining the Canon R6mk2 group on Facebook.

So many people who bought a camera and thousands of dollars worth of L lenses, but can’t be bothered to read the instruction book, asking why their photos are crap.

It’s phenomenally powerful, with the AF from the R3, but it took me about 12 hours over a weekend to set up. Almost never misses focus or exposure with stills. 

I haven’t quite got the video AF sorted, but that’s my fault, not the camera.

This is so true. A man came up to me at a photography exhibition being shown at our camera club and asked me what camera I used, as he had seen my prints on show and he couldn’t get the same quality from his 5DmkIV and was on the verge of giving up. He couldn’t believe that I used an APS camera. Hopefully he went away and learnt how to use his camera!

Dabhand16 said

Dino.3000 said

This is a specific fault in a specific setting.  It does not happen in other settings like single-point AF.  I am very optimistic that this will be rectified.  In the meantime, I have a ballroom competition that I would like to photograph and I don't know how far and deep this continuous AF glitch goes.  Maybe zone AF will work.  I am not going to experiment overly much and just bring my Sony A9.  I just don't trust the cont-AF at the moment.    

Has it occurred to you that if the issue does not happen in single point then the mode you were in was not the right mode for what you were shooting?

The modern AF systems do need to be used to suit the situation and that does mean that sometimes the most obvious detection mode is not the best one to use.  I'm on a wildlife forum where people are using top end cameras - Sony a1, Nikon Z9 etc - and still have AF issues and for instance in some circumstances subject detect works better than bird detect.

If I was shooting a ballroom dancing competition I would not be using eye detect, probably a zone or large single point.  Cameras are not like cars.  Cruise control is like locking the exposure, not following a moving target.

I find it almost offensive that you are slagging off the camera and you have not even tried other modes to see what works best.

You take personal offense over an inanimate object and a stranger you never met in a context not your own?  Interesting; must make TV viewing an emotional rollercoaster. 

Back to specifics, a feature that seemingly every other camera has provided with respectful consistency since 2017 seems to be ongoing issue for Fuji in 2024.  Regardless of this feature's utility to you or any user, it is a disappointing situation.  An obstacle that Fuji seems to trip over repeatedly.  

As for myself, I don't need a science project prior to tomorrow's event. I will, as stated earlier, use my Sony rather than mine the rich vein of Fuji's continuous-AF's fickle nature. I don't need a PhD in AF work-arounds for, what I hope will be, a temporary situation alleviated by the next update.

So, don't lament for me, I have my solution.  And do continue to promulgate your cause celebre of accepting undelivered promises in the products you purchase.  I remain your sincerest fan.     

dave band said

I use  Fuji xt2 and xh1 and had no problems with focus , except when I inadvertently had the touch screen set to "on" and my nose kept taking photos! But crop sensor and 24mp gives  excellent quality.  I'm taking photos whilst complicated menu based systems are still finding their settings. 

The nose!  I have to turn off touch screen.  How do people not bump their noses?  They must be next-tier experts or genetically gifted with a petit nez. 

sd photography54 said

I've been a fuji user since 2016 with Xt-1 I loved the colour profiles so much better than Canon that I had been using for over 30yrs, I ended up with XT-2 XH-1 XH-2 Ive had focusing issues with the XH-1 XH-2 some could be user error not in the studio though, The XH-2 I didn't like the files it produced and with the focusing issue I sold all the Fuji gear ( I just kept the XT-2 with a 32mm zeiss lens) and switch brands.

One thing I wills say is the Fuji lenses are good and well made up there with the likes of canon, nikon, sony,

I don't have a solution to your focusing issues, and lets just say Sony is the best in this department..

I remain a Fuji fan.  I use Fuji 90% of the time and still enjoy my XT20 and E2.  Can't explain it, I just dig the system.  Maybe because I started with Fuji, I will forever find Sony slightly alien.  

Aardvark🎯VonEssfolk said

Dino.3000 said

I know that crop sensors are not a popular choice, I wouldn't be surprised if next to no one uses crop sensors here.  

However...

The Fooj's Achilles heal has been its auto focus.  I am genuinely miffed with the latest firmware upgrade that has introduced more AF issues than it solved.  Continuous AF is now genuinely unusable. 

I have a ballroom dance competition to photograph this Saturday and I was counting on trying its "pre shot es" feature (buffers up to 20 pics, prior to pressing the shutter down, to write to the card when you shoot burst mode).  Now I am back to my Sony.  

Fuji's inept AF is a constant hinderance.  

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Really ??

🤣🤣

You're fun.  I have enjoyed your consistent droll humor that has endeared you to yourself. It's fascinating. 

Tim Pile Yep, the 5D4 was just another Canon. Half a day with the instruction book at most, mainly the WIFI. Bulletproof

The newer Canons (R6mk2, R8) have the AF from the R3 (sports model) stuffed into smaller cheaper bodies. Even a 20 year Canon DSLR owner like me is going to have to work at it at first.

Ultimately, every make is brilliant now, and it's almost always user error.

Horrendous focusing on these latest Fuji cameras

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Aardvark🎯VonEssfolk

Yep ... useless ... the background has gone all blurry!

Manual focus and refocus? Granted I last shot ballroom dancing years ago but I was using a Nikon f3 and a Nikon d1h back then and AF and low light performance was non existent

Aardvark🎯VonEssfolk Horrendous focusing on these latest Fuji cameras,

I hired the XH-2s for a week and got on well with it,  then I waited for the XH-2 to come out and thought the bigger mega-pixel would suit me better, like a numpty I brought the XH-2 and the more I used it and looking at the files the more I hated it, I didn't like the file it was producing and it was hit and miss with the focusing which really pissed me off,

Six months on I jumped ship and sold everything but the XT-2 and one lens.

I won't knock Fuji the lenses are second to none in performance and build quality and the rich colours they produce.

Fantastic images well done on that.

Have a good day.

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