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Huw said

Retouchguy said

Huw said

There is one space left under "member tags" when you upload an image.
Like "Photographer", "model", etc.

Maybe it should be compulsory to add an "AI" tag? 
"AI Wizard" - MidJourney, etc. - seems unfair to take the credit away from the machine that did the real work   ;)

should be one to give credit to the camera processor for all those shooting in auto also then yes ?  sinse technically they are using AI tech

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If you think a camera is AI you have a fairly limited understanding of the term.

Sorry to be blunt.  

Not at all, your all getting in a tether because an artificial intelligence is being allowed to edit image ie without the input of the photographer, so how is that different from a camera picking all the correct setting for you and taking image without photographers input. both are creating an image without photographers input 

or you can also go one further and ask why its ok to take images with mobile phones as their cameras do have AI built in now and can manipulated subjects and backgrounds pre image taking 

yet many many models showcase mobile images - filters and all on portfolios with zero issues some photographers now too using mobiles i have seen

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How much AI should we allow?

Russ Freeman said

How much AI should we allow?

i cannot see a way to police it can you ? i think it comes down to being honest about how much has gone into a picture thats created, i appreciate its a difficult thing to plan but this will not be the only site that has to find a way to navigate it 

I must admit that like many others when i first started I set the camera (Nikon D3000) to auto as I had never used a camera before and the camera ajusted the settings, but that is all,

me and the model created the images the camera only captured what was in front of the lens, It is like a modern car will have a lot of electonics to aid driving , but try closing yours eyes and letting go of the steering wheel , The early images I took were no dout helped by the cameras auto system but they were real images. I still use one on the front page and

is about the 14th image I ever took. So I would never compare auto settings or even  photoshop to A.I. the model was in the studio and the image was real why would I want one that

is not.

J.S. creative images. said

I must admit that like many others when i first started I set the camera (Nikon D3000) to auto as I had never used a camera before and the camera ajusted the settings, but that is all,

me and the model created the images the camera only captured what was in front of the lens, It is like a modern car will have a lot of electonics to aid driving , but try closing yours eyes and letting go of the steering wheel , The early images I took were no dout helped by the cameras auto system but they were real images. I still use one on the front page and

is about the 14th image I ever took. So I would never compare auto settings or even  photoshop to A.I. the model was in the studio and the image was real why would I want one that

is not.

images in question - model was in the studio also, the question is on how much AI is acceptable 

Russ Freeman said

Prior to AI tools it was hard work, required skills, was time-consuming, and was often fairly obvious.

I heard the same arguments about digital vs film; some people claimed they knew when something was digital--I was chatting with another photographer about the way digital was becoming mainstream around 20 years back. We were in the competition gallery and he pointed to a (very clearly) digital image and asked me to compare it to what (he thought) was a film shot, but was one I knew was digital--I'd done some retouching for the 'film' photographer, and knew when/where/how he'd shot it. Yet he went on at length at how 'filmic/cinematic (I don't recall the terms, but those describe how he went on and on) a digital image he was sure was a medium format film shot.

Ditto how obvious composites are, or how people can easily spot CGI in film vs practical effects. There is.a TON of CGI that goes completely unnoticed because it's so well done, resulting in films that don't appear to have any cgi in them. In most cases, if the cgi or comp work e is visible, it's failed. The dozens to thousands of films and composite stills that go unnoticed make it seem like it's easy to spot: unconscious cherry picking. That leads some people to think they can spot it, when all it does is show can identify a bad comp job, or bad cgi, or whatever, being blithey unaware of the myriad successful examples. "AI" images will likely be sufficiently good in the near future as to make it extremely difficult to spot; it's already fooling a lot of casual viewers..

J.S. creative images. said

My view on this is that if those that create A I images and those that look at and admire them are happy then so be it, but I can not see why you would look at an image that never has existed in front of a camera , but I supose it goes with a world were fake news is comon so why not fake images, Does it really mater not to those like me that enjoy photography as a hoby but for the people in the industry who make a living from it I am sure it is a concern, Take that image above what if it was turned into a porn style image !!!  kids at school have

Like paintings, sculpture, photograms, airbrush illustrations... :) 

I don't really go for wholesale background replace. I like to do everything in camera if possible. My main things are tidying up backgrounds, expanding backdrops etc with generative fill. 

I do quite enjoy playing with Generative Expand though. It takes what you've already created, and adds more of it. 

For example... Here, there was actual fire in the middle third of the frame (a couple of t-shirts soaked in paraffin). The two side windows don't even exist.

Russ Freeman said

How much AI should we allow?

With Photoshop embracing AI, a huge amount of edits will have a percentage of AI content, from Content Aware Fill to Generative Fill and background replace. It'll be a nightmare deciding where to draw the line.

Kevin Connery said

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"AI" images will likely be sufficiently good in the near future as to make it extremely difficult to spot; it's already fooling a lot of casual viewers.. 

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I totally agree.

Should we remove the no AI rule and let the chips fall where they may?

Retouchguy said

Russ Freeman said

How much AI should we allow?

i cannot see a way to police it can you ? i think it comes down to being honest about how much has gone into a picture thats created, i appreciate its a difficult thing to plan but this will not be the only site that has to find a way to navigate it 

Nope, can't think of anything since asking people to be honest is too much to ask.

Russ Freeman said

Retouchguy said

Russ Freeman said

How much AI should we allow?

i cannot see a way to police it can you ? i think it comes down to being honest about how much has gone into a picture thats created, i appreciate its a difficult thing to plan but this will not be the only site that has to find a way to navigate it 

Nope, can't think of anything since asking people to be honest is too much to ask.

in fairness its not just photographers, models themselves are uploading self edited images these days Russ. i honestly cannot see a way to police it at all, as i said models are using ai on smart phone as are some photographers now, and i think its just another type of VFX of types

Russ Freeman said

Kevin Connery said

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"AI" images will likely be sufficiently good in the near future as to make it extremely difficult to spot; it's already fooling a lot of casual viewers.. 

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I totally agree.

Should we remove the no AI rule and let the chips fall where they may?

I think there's still the question of why anyone would want to post a completely AI generated model on a website designed for photographers and models to network with each other.  What's the point?

Gothic Image said

Russ Freeman said

Kevin Connery said

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"AI" images will likely be sufficiently good in the near future as to make it extremely difficult to spot; it's already fooling a lot of casual viewers.. 

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I totally agree.

Should we remove the no AI rule and let the chips fall where they may?

I think there's still the question of why anyone would want to post a completely AI generated model on a website designed for photographers and models to network with each other.  What's the point?

its not just photographers, Theres retouchers, sketchers, painters, digital artists, models, 

Retouchguy said

Russ Freeman said

Retouchguy said

Russ Freeman said

How much AI should we allow?

i cannot see a way to police it can you ? i think it comes down to being honest about how much has gone into a picture thats created, i appreciate its a difficult thing to plan but this will not be the only site that has to find a way to navigate it 

Nope, can't think of anything since asking people to be honest is too much to ask.

in fairness its not just photographers, models themselves are uploading self edited images these days Russ. i honestly cannot see a way to police it at all, as i said models are using ai on smart phone as are some photographers now, and i think its just another type of VFX of types

Do you think we should have no restrictions on accounts joining and image uploads?

Russ Freeman said

Retouchguy said

Russ Freeman said

Retouchguy said

Russ Freeman said

How much AI should we allow?

i cannot see a way to police it can you ? i think it comes down to being honest about how much has gone into a picture thats created, i appreciate its a difficult thing to plan but this will not be the only site that has to find a way to navigate it 

Nope, can't think of anything since asking people to be honest is too much to ask.

in fairness its not just photographers, models themselves are uploading self edited images these days Russ. i honestly cannot see a way to police it at all, as i said models are using ai on smart phone as are some photographers now, and i think its just another type of VFX of types

Do you think we should have no restrictions on accounts joining and image uploads?

maybe put a vote up don't think its something that one person can say its a very diverse issue which will only get more complicated moving forward