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Modern Work Flow, Speedy Results (latest PS, AI)

 

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By -sp●●n-, 1703891303

I wanted to show how AI can be used in a positive way, to quickly work an image. I had this image taken a while back but never did anything with it, the bar to entry to fix it was too high for me (10 years back), would likely have taken 2 days back then to get something decent, the image was a good pose, slightly blurred (straight off the camera, including light setup slightly visible):



First step was to correct tilt, perhaps I was drunk that day (simple image >> rotate >> free >> 5 deg clockwise), then crop in to just the model. Next up was to grab the model from the back drop, 10 years ago it would have taken much longer background eraser tool, now it is latest PS >> help >> erase background and bang it is done, converted to a smart object to combine to copy somewhere else, PS did a good job of keeping the legs even though they are black, I had other plans and wanted full legs which did not exist, so used eraser to remove legs, I have the model ready to go:

Next I wanted a scene, the image can be changed a certain amount, it was captured in a dark environment so best placing into similar, I decided on a street at night wet pavement, 10 years ago it would be looking at stock image sites for a scene, the issue being that getting the angles right can be difficult to put the image exactly at the right position as fool the eye (height of camera, angle of lens), AI is a godsend here. First I need some legs, so off to AI, asked "woman walking towards camera at night", this gave after a number of tries some legs I could easily cut out with back ground eraser, angle can be corrected to a certain extent with lens correction just to tweak the angle:



Now to create the background, over to leonardo.ai, and I used the Realtime canvas, this allowed me to start the scene by pasting the model and legs, I am after a background not final scene, now I did not capture the creation process at the time, so have recreated it as best can, AI being AI will create an infinite number of backgrounds, the prompt is:

"lady walking towards camera. At night time, wet pavement, lighted by street lights, photo realistic, dark stared black sky, bokeh, parked car in distance, neon sign"

This was a first stab by AI, notice how the angles are right in relation to the model and legs, the fake AI lady is not important, she will be replaced by the real model in photoshop by simply putting the model on top of the generated lady later on, here is first go:



Now here is where different images can be generated and refined, so, get one close to what is required, by changing creativity strength, and the prompt, then click output to input which replaces the input with the output, then the creativity strength can be changed (the higher the more random the image, do not go too far as would remove the fake lady), image copied back to input a number of times, change the input prompt to refine the image:



Once happy with the background we want a higher resolution to be used, so the Upscale image is clicked and the final background can be downloaded. Remnants of the fake lady can be removed with PS and the latest AI remove object to give a clean background. Paste the model and legs onto it, and do the usual PS processes (levels, saturation, contrast, smooth the skin on arms, body, parts of face, improve hair, a bit of smoothing, bit of dodging highlights, and burn mid tones to give more depth, do the same on face, arms, plenty of tutorials on improving models, took me around 60 mins, the modern un-sharpen mask recovered the original photograph well, I think AI is used with PS there also now as CS4 could not do what is done today). the final result:


AI is not the enemy, it is a creative tool.

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Gothic Image said, 1703891974

If you want critique this is the wrong group,  unfortunately. 

-sp●●n- said, 1703892538

Gothic Image said

If you want critique this is the wrong group,  unfortunately. 


Not wanting critique, it is rather a tutorial of how I am using AI to bring abandoned images to life. If you have no such need, then spin past it, hope someone else can see how AI can speed things along, as previously looking for matching legs, or stock background for this image would have taken ages, and I could adjust more and refine the background how I wanted it, that is not possible until now.

It also allows AI to create a background which matches the angles of the input image, which its self is a game changer, for those of us without infinite budgets to actually shoot a model such as this in the physical scene, which might involve a different country, waiting for right weather, etc, it is much better in a studio to get reliable results.

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Russ Freeman (staff) said, 1703892604

It's a wonderful tool, I love it.

I'd rather see the skills of a photographer on a photography site, and creations like this just seem weird in uncanny valley ways. Something about the angles and lighting I can't quite put my eleven fingers on.

I guess a large part of my dislike for such creations is because they fundamentally lack integrity, and that is important to me.

FiL said, 1703893030

Why are her legs so short? It looks like her feet are about a pace behind her and trying hard to catch up.

-sp●●n- said, 1703893642

Russ Freeman said

It's a wonderful tool, I love it.

I'd rather see the skills of a photographer on a photography site, and creations like this just seem weird in uncanny valley ways. Something about the angles and lighting I can't quite put my eleven fingers on.

I guess a large part of my dislike for such creations is because they fundamentally lack integrity, and that is important to me.


There is skill in part, it is a real model, with real clothes, I would have liked not to have to replace legs, but back when this photo was taken, I had cramped room and a 50mm lens (a guess) to play with and that is all which was captured. The lighting setup was bespoke, model stood in middle of 5 mini lights. Until now this photo was 0...1..'s on a HDD because there was no easy way of bringing it out on how I wanted to present it, I could have kept it black, that is not my thing (first model I shot was that in a studio), I prefer the scene, to transport somewhere else, a creative process, I am not pretending to be anything than an amateur, it is not my day job and grabbing a few hours here and there is all I can afford.

AI can lift my level of output up, it is an enabler, just as when PS appeared, it opened the door to image manipulation which previously was only available to well financed studios. I know this site is about connecting models and photographers, and AI can remove the model which is not what this site is about, however if there is a real model, and real photographer then the tools used to bring capture to final should be welcomed.

GPA6 said, 1703896416

I do this type of thing with a slightly different work flow. I normally send the lightly edited image from LRC to PS Beta. Cut out subject using cloud. Create the image I want on Leonardo, tenor. Import to PS. Remove subject. Select all image, copy then paste it into my original image. Move my cut out subject on top. Harmonise with back ground, create merged, select ground around subject but, hold option key select subject to remove then generate blank to create the shadow. It's normally a case of creating a gausian blur, masking the subject, tidy edges and send back to LRC where I will apply a preset to the whole image. Something like this, CT10. Job done. It's fun, it's fast but it's not photography. It's great for friends etc wanting a specific image. I just did a load of Christmas ones.

I always export a copy of the back ground too.

Thanks for sharing, I like it. It just needs it's own catagory.

OriginalSin said, 1703898298

Might have been much quicker prompting an image and then face-swapping your model to it. Probably get a much better final result as well. People tend to swing their arms whilst walking and not clutch their clavicle. I would argue that you could have done a better job with PS 10 years ago. Interesting to play with AI but I think I’d rather composite multiple photographed images than try your Frankenstein approach, or just face-swap as mentioned. I am sure AI will develop to a point where you can upload a reference image and then prompt a convincing re-interpretation to obtain a creative vision. Not just yet though. AI will have its place in artwork but I don’t see it replacing traditional photography. 

Gothic Image said, 1703923286

-sp●●n- said

Gothic Image said

If you want critique this is the wrong group,  unfortunately. 


Not wanting critique, it is rather a tutorial of how I am using AI to bring abandoned images to life. If you have no such need, then spin past it, hope someone else can see how AI can speed things along, as previously looking for matching legs, or stock background for this image would have taken ages, and I could adjust more and refine the background how I wanted it, that is not possible until now.

It also allows AI to create a background which matches the angles of the input image, which its self is a game changer, for those of us without infinite budgets to actually shoot a model such as this in the physical scene, which might involve a different country, waiting for right weather, etc, it is much better in a studio to get reliable results.

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I found the tutorial both interesting and instructive.  The problem I have is that the end result still screams "fake" to me for two very obvious reasons (hint).

JPea said, 1703923596

I love playing at this sort of game. When it works and produces an image that I vaguely had in my mind, then I produce an image that I have created. I have no guilt.

The most difficult part is defining what you want to achieve.

But then, I'm trying to make an image of an idea, not take someone's photograph.

JJsPix said, 1703924350

Funnily enough, I've found the images you have put up recently to be quite eye catching.

Shame I can't give them any love.

But it does rather seem that AI is gaining ground.

If ever I get enough time, I am tempted to play with some of the AI engines available online.

Russ Freeman (staff) said, 1703929779

-sp●●n- said

Russ Freeman said

It's a wonderful tool, I love it.

I'd rather see the skills of a photographer on a photography site, and creations like this just seem weird in uncanny valley ways. Something about the angles and lighting I can't quite put my eleven fingers on.

I guess a large part of my dislike for such creations is because they fundamentally lack integrity, and that is important to me.


There is skill in part, it is a real model, with real clothes, I would have liked not to have to replace legs, but back when this photo was taken, I had cramped room and a 50mm lens (a guess) to play with and that is all which was captured. The lighting setup was bespoke, model stood in middle of 5 mini lights. Until now this photo was 0...1..'s on a HDD because there was no easy way of bringing it out on how I wanted to present it, I could have kept it black, that is not my thing (first model I shot was that in a studio), I prefer the scene, to transport somewhere else, a creative process, I am not pretending to be anything than an amateur, it is not my day job and grabbing a few hours here and there is all I can afford.

AI can lift my level of output up, it is an enabler, just as when PS appeared, it opened the door to image manipulation which previously was only available to well financed studios. I know this site is about connecting models and photographers, and AI can remove the model which is not what this site is about, however if there is a real model, and real photographer then the tools used to bring capture to final should be welcomed.

If the job is to churn out images for a client at the cheapest rate and fast as possible, then I totally understand why you would want to get the process finished quickly, but when it's for fun it makes no sense to me.

It makes me think that we do need a way to mark such images so people aren't fooled into thinking you and the model were in that scene and took the time to pose, light, and compose it as displayed.

It does remind me that Amazon now restricts self-publishing authors to just three books per day because they are swamped by AI generated content. I bet they wanted to say "three crappy, banal, AI-written books per day" but that would have given their game away.

JPea said, 1703930078

Russ Freeman

The simple way is for a statement about an image with an AI input to say exactly that.

I have done this with all these sort of images.

I got a couple of FPIs with AI input and said so.

-sp●●n- said, 1703930192

Time poor in investment of resources to this endeavour, you know family etc, so it helps me output something which passes my quality levels, which obviously might not meet your quality levels.

Is there a single person who would be fooled into thinking I took this model onto the street to shoot such?

Russ Freeman (staff) said, 1703931095

-sp●●n- said

Time poor in investment of resources to this endeavour, you know family etc, so it helps me output something which passes my quality levels, which obviously might not meet your quality levels.

Is there a single person who would be fooled into thinking I took this model onto the street to shoot such?

Broaden the question; Is there a single person who would be fooled into thinking an AI image is a real image?

Given what we see of people fawning over fake images on Instagram; Yes, there are many people who are fooled by such images, just check the comments.

indemnity said, 1703931301

FiL said

Why are her legs so short? It looks like her feet are about a pace behind her and trying hard to catch up.


Have to agree a bit of the Mrs Merton look in that respect.