Banning AI art on PP

Simon Cole said

 

That being the case - and as you appear to be such an advocate (when lecturing others on the subject) I was a bit puzzled to find that a significant number of the images you've posted in your portfolio don't include any acknowledgement of the model whatsoever. No tag, no name, no credit - not so much as a "not on PP" or "model wishes to remain untagged" etc., etc.

The cause of this could be as simple as the model not having accepted the tag for whatever reason -- like sheer admin burden for busy models.

As I say, I don't see any difference between the outcome for a model who hasn't accepted tags and me not giving any details of a model who isn't here to _be_ tagged. 

Another aspect to the Ai argument: https://petapixel.com/2022/09/14/new-ai-data-law-could-have-serious-consequences-for-photographers/

Gothic Image said

Unfocussed Mike said

Gothic Image said

Unfocussed Mike said

Theimagebear said

If you create images with no model or there is one but you choose to keep their identity private (a growing thing) then thats not what here is about.

You mean if I have a model who is not on purpleport and won't tell you who they are?

I have plenty of work on here that is demonstrative of what I can do as a photographer, that features three people who enjoy working with me but haven't ever wanted to join.

I'm never going to feel obligated to identify them. 

Do you feel those images shouldn't be there?

They are (hopefully good-ish) examples of my work with amateur models.

Whereas uploading a Midjourney image of a person who does not exist would not be. It's a very clear line between the two.

Edited by Unfocussed Mike

I do - always. Why wouldn't you?  (Ditto models whose photos miraculously appear without a photographer present!)

They get identified as "model not on purpleport" if that is what you mean. 

That's all you're getting because that's all I've told them I will say about them.

Not sure what the controversy is here? Who is it rude to? They aren't models. I'm expected to give their names to strangers on the internet?

Edited by Unfocussed Mike

Which is absolutely fine in that particular case.

Simon Cole said

Theimagebear said

Unfocussed Mike said

Gothic Image said

Unfocussed Mike said

Theimagebear said

If you create images with no model or there is one but you choose to keep their identity private (a growing thing) then thats not what here is about.

You mean if I have a model who is not on purpleport and won't tell you who they are?

I have plenty of work on here that is demonstrative of what I can do as a photographer, that features three people who enjoy working with me but haven't ever wanted to join.

I'm never going to feel obligated to identify them. 

Do you feel those images shouldn't be there?

They are (hopefully good-ish) examples of my work with amateur models.

Whereas uploading a Midjourney image of a person who does not exist would not be. It's a very clear line between the two.

Edited by Unfocussed Mike

I do - always. Why wouldn't you?  (Ditto models whose photos miraculously appear without a photographer present!)

They get identified as "model not on purpleport" if that is what you mean. 

That's all you're getting because that's all I've told them I will say about them.

Not sure what the controversy is here? Who is it rude to? They aren't models. I'm expected to give their names to strangers on the internet?

Edited by Unfocussed Mike

There are always going to be exceptions but from day 1 and it was originally set up to help and share between models, photographers and studios, in a safe environment.  So it would be the friendly thing to do.

That being the case - and as you appear to be such an advocate (when lecturing others on the subject) I was a bit puzzled to find that a significant number of the images you've posted in your portfolio don't include any acknowledgement of the model whatsoever. No tag, no name, no credit - not so much as a "not on PP" or "model wishes to remain untagged" etc., etc.

Hey Relax, I made a statement at the start, which I stand by.  Its you that have jumped down my throat, and I have replied to defend myself.  I have always stated the model name but, as I have been here a long time, have let and deactivated their accounts.  That know one can control.

Thank you.

Unfocussed Mike said

Theimagebear said

Unfocussed Mike said

Gothic Image said

Unfocussed Mike said

Theimagebear said

If you create images with no model or there is one but you choose to keep their identity private (a growing thing) then thats not what here is about.

You mean if I have a model who is not on purpleport and won't tell you who they are?

I have plenty of work on here that is demonstrative of what I can do as a photographer, that features three people who enjoy working with me but haven't ever wanted to join.

I'm never going to feel obligated to identify them. 

Do you feel those images shouldn't be there?

They are (hopefully good-ish) examples of my work with amateur models.

Whereas uploading a Midjourney image of a person who does not exist would not be. It's a very clear line between the two.

Edited by Unfocussed Mike

I do - always. Why wouldn't you?  (Ditto models whose photos miraculously appear without a photographer present!)

They get identified as "model not on purpleport" if that is what you mean. 

That's all you're getting because that's all I've told them I will say about them.

Not sure what the controversy is here? Who is it rude to? They aren't models. I'm expected to give their names to strangers on the internet?

Edited by Unfocussed Mike

There are always going to be exceptions but from day 1 and it was originally set up to help and share between models, photographers and studios, in a safe environment.  So it would be the friendly thing to do.

So. I've gone back and changed my portfolio now!

If the model was on purpleport beforehand, it now says "model no longer on purpleport".

If the model was never on purpleport it doesn't say a goddamn thing about them!

There's no safety implication here, and literally nobody should feel a friendly entitlement to know anything about them.

If they want to work with purpleport photographers they can join.

They are real photos so I don't see what any of this has to do with the topic at hand.

Hey relax, they do not really have anything to do with the big topic but I made a personal comment and you all went off on one.  As regards or safety, the whole point about this site is that it was safe to be on here, that was the point. I they dont want to be a model then say so, its not hard.  I you want to take from the site but not give then go to instagram.  Its why I joined, to share and be safe, but it needs to be a two way thing.  I you dont like it, as I say use instagram.

Gothic Image said

Another aspect to the Ai argument: https://petapixel.com/2022/09/14/new-ai-data-law-could-have-serious-consequences-for-photographers/

Yeah -- I think someone posted another link about this earlier in the thread:

https://www.aopawards.com/ai-data-mining-and-what-it-means-for-you/

Theimagebear said

 I you want to take from the site but not give then go to instagram.  Its why I joined, to share and be safe, but it needs to be a two way thing.  I you dont like it, as I say use instagram.

Wow. 

The thread has become a bit of a comedy lol. If only people could stay on topic.

Wondrous said

The thread has become a bit of a comedy lol. If only people could stay on topic.

Sorry -- I think I've contributed enough on the topic anyway, but I am also post-covid-irritable. Just found it bizarre and rude.

Wondrous said

The thread has become a bit of a comedy lol. If only people could stay on topic.

This is Purpleport - don't be silly!  :-)

(It did start off on-topic as it asked how someone could know if a model was real if the photographer didn't identify them.  Seems to have wandered off a bit since then and I'm as guilty as anyone else.)

Unfocussed Mike it wasn't about you. Just people bringing in their own agendas into a thread instead of starting a new one, it always happens.

Theimagebear said

I have always stated the model name but, as I have been here a long time, have let and deactivated their accounts.  That know one can control.

You can: simply delete the photograph (including the FPI I just saw) and there's no "issue" for you.

Or, simply respect that some photographers don't, can't or won't tag models, including those who wish to remain anonymous and/or won't join this site due to its reputation.

RHM.Photo said

Theimagebear said

I have always stated the model name but, as I have been here a long time, have let and deactivated their accounts.  That know one can control.

You can: simply delete the photograph (including the FPI I just saw) and there's no "issue" for you.

Or, simply respect that some photographers don't, can't or won't tag models, including those who wish to remain anonymous and/or won't join this site due to its reputation.

Im not going through this again, the point of a sharing site is that you share things.  Thats why it was set up, thats why its easy to find people and places to work, its the trust from like minded people. If you dont like its reputation (I understand but both of us have posted nude images here), then dont come here.  Best of luck posting models who dont want to be identified, on instagram.

Theimagebear said

RHM.Photo said

Theimagebear said

I have always stated the model name but, as I have been here a long time, have let and deactivated their accounts.  That know one can control.

You can: simply delete the photograph (including the FPI I just saw) and there's no "issue" for you.

Or, simply respect that some photographers don't, can't or won't tag models, including those who wish to remain anonymous and/or won't join this site due to its reputation.

Im not going through this again, the point of a sharing site is that you share things.  Thats why it was set up, thats why its easy to find people and places to work, its the trust from like minded people. If you dont like its reputation (I understand but both of us have posted nude images here), then dont come here.  Best of luck posting models who dont want to be identified, on instagram.

You're the one complaining about not "sharing", not me: I'm simply pointing out the hypocrisy. Oh and if I post on Instagram, I don't need to identify then there either, so I don't see what your point is. I suspect no-one does.

RHM.Photo said

Theimagebear said

RHM.Photo said

Theimagebear said

I have always stated the model name but, as I have been here a long time, have let and deactivated their accounts.  That know one can control.

You can: simply delete the photograph (including the FPI I just saw) and there's no "issue" for you.

Or, simply respect that some photographers don't, can't or won't tag models, including those who wish to remain anonymous and/or won't join this site due to its reputation.

Im not going through this again, the point of a sharing site is that you share things.  Thats why it was set up, thats why its easy to find people and places to work, its the trust from like minded people. If you dont like its reputation (I understand but both of us have posted nude images here), then dont come here.  Best of luck posting models who dont want to be identified, on instagram.

You're the one complaining about not "sharing", not me: I'm simply pointing out the hypocrisy. Oh and if I post on Instagram, I don't need to identify then there either, so I don't see what your point is. I suspect no-one does.

See you on instagram, let me know how many dick pic DM's and posts about clearing debts and making lots of money you get when you post an image you have to make censored enough for the platform, that you could have shared here...

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