When you say you don't care, do you really mean it?

CalmNudes

Thing is, most of the contributors have said that they don't matter. So are you saying that they are perhaps not being truthful?

Gothic Image

Only PP can let us know what the FPI means for us. It's clearly meaningful for many, but because it doesn't really give anything other than a feature and a badge, it leaves people with some confusion. Maybe if there was no badge awarded, then the feature would be just that and nothing more.

I'm genuinely not that fussed. And it's the same models that keep coming round, which makes me feel like it's a bit of a closed shop.

I delete FPIs simply because I get bored of seeing the same images in my port. But I wouldn't say I don't care about them. I care about the others involved in creating an image such that I'd like to see the site offer the ability to transfer an image, intact with its FPI, to another tagged member should they wish to accept it, as an alternative to deletion. It would help avoid occasional tears.

It's nice to get an FPI, do I care, not that much, after the initial like-fest it makes no difference, FPIs are to promote the PP Frontpage, the clue is in the name! ;) 
The FPI link in your port and "Bragging Rights" are just a side effect.

So, of course, I care little, and I think most do, or it wouldn't be such a talking point. 

MaristarOxley said

CalmNudes

Thing is, most of the contributors have said that they don't matter. So are you saying that they are perhaps not being truthful?

I think it's a paradox.  You asked specifically about "I don't care about getting an FPI."  If someone thinks they have plenty, or doesn't want to be used to promote the site they can flag their uploads members-only, and job done, those can't get an FPI.  If someone gives no mind at all to FPIs, why have they not opted out of "Let's talk about FPIs" group, and why are they discussing FPIs on this thread?  That's the paradox; in order to post on the subject must you care enough about it  ( or in a meta way, you care about whether caring about it matters) enough to open the thread, click reply and start typing "I don't about the thing I'm writing about" 

I don't believe any recipient ever felt nothing at all about getting an FPI. If they felt negative, they'd start using members only, and otherwise the felt positive. It's a pat on the back, a gold star from the teacher. You can't buy a new camera with it, but someone might be a bit keener to work with you.  But why would someone say "I have zero but they don't matter", or "I have hundreds but they don't matter".  If they don't matter then, ipso facto, the number that you have doesn't matter, so why bring it up. 

There's a also a similar question about uploading lots. A free account with 15 pictures gives a decent thumbnail of what you do, so why post lots unless you get some positive feedback (loves, comments, suggestions, collections and yes FPIs) for them. 

Do FPIs matter by shaping what we do?  If I look at the top row of my port the subject matter of the last 6 - duos with a degree of contact which hints to varying degrees at something sexual, pretty much guarantees it won't get on the front page. Some of my best pictures - sinopa rin about 4 rows down, won't make it because the metal around her wrists says fetish/bondage and that doesn't go in the front window. So on the one hand I care about getting them, and know a lot about the statistics of how the system plays out, on the other I don't use "elf appeal" in the criteria for what I upload.  I'm pissed off that some elf has put pictures of mine in the queue (so I saw the message in image manager) but the last 7 all got voted off,  (I actually think someone has a veto, a super vote, and I'm blackballed), but if I cared a lot I'd have quit PP by now (I get more dopamine hits through random internet folk clicking a heart button on instagram, but it's such a vapid place), but instead I've just paid for another year.  And since I mention Instagram, I don't think IG loves have value and yet I post there because a git that little hit every time I get one. Have I used the word paradox at all? If the place is so vapid why post there? 
Do some serial awardees, even subconsciously, shoot and post in a given style because they know gets rosettes? Or does what they were going to shoot anyway happen to be stuff that is suitable for the front page. Probably a bit of both. 
Do they change anything ? Will more people come to my funeral if I get lot more FPIs before I die? Will WEX sell me a new camera more cheaply if got 50 FPIs in the last year? Perhaps if you spend your retirement shooting, editing and posting and don't have a budget to pay models you can select from higher up the barrel if you have many than if you have none. But (paradox again) we do care a lot about things that don't matter vey much. 

CalmNudes I'm going down to a free account in the new year, so it's interesting what you say about the 15 images.

CalmNudes

A most interesting contribution.

You can get FPIs with very sexual images.

I post what I want to post irrespective of whether it is FPI material or even whether anyone will like it.

I presume I must have had nominations for FPIs as I have some but I have never been aware of these other than members saying in a comment that they have nominated an image.

It's nice to get an FPI but I do nothing to try to get one.

I just take "my images".

I am always fascinated when people discuss the way "other people" go out of their way to get FPIs.

How so?

JME Studios said

CalmNudes I'm going down to a free account in the new year, so it's interesting what you say about the 15 images.

Free accounts work to say "here is some of my work, if you like it contact me". If that's your purpose you don't need hundreds

JPea said

CalmNudes

A most interesting contribution.

You can get FPIs with very sexual images.

I post what I want to post irrespective of whether it is FPI material or even whether anyone will like it.

I presume I must have had nominations for FPIs as I have some but I have never been aware of these other than members saying in a comment that they have nominated an image.

It's nice to get an FPI but I do nothing to try to get one.

I just take "my images".

I am always fascinated when people discuss the way "other people" go out of their way to get FPIs.

How so?

You can, it is certainly not impossible. But for the just under 70,000 FPI I have data for 

54.53% are safe for work

45.08% are NSFW

0.38% are Adult 

So about 1 adult per 263 FPIs which is about once every 11 days. Of those "Adult" how many are "very sexual". 

Now, what I don't know is of all the uploads to the site how many are SFW/NSFW/Adult / very sexual adult, and is the quality split different between them (for example , do people upload a lot of sub-standard tits and bums stuff - NSFW - just because it is tits and bums? or conversely are people who are very painstaking about the rope work in shibari shots at least as painstaking with their lighting and composition and produce work which is above average photographically ?) 

What I do know is the there are 2 Duos in the first 3 pages of FPIs at the moment is on the third page. In those pages nothing to me looked like kink / fetish / BDSM (no duos with one in a more dominant role.). If you have a look on my port at the FPIs page the last one was awarded to a Lenza for a shot with her an Beth Kate that I did. Now go 5/6 rows down my port and look at the two I've posted from the same shoot, with the lights in the same place and the same outfits. My contention is that the subtext of those two -and the most recent 5 - that "A 'controls' B" works against them. 

Other members may tell you they have tossed a picture on the "elves please look at this" pile  https://purpleport.com/images/suggested/ 
That is not the same as an elf seeing it and saying "this should be a FPI", which makes it vanish from the suggested list, causes the "Suggest for FPI" link to disappear at the top the picture, and displays an message if you go to https://purpleport.com/image-manager/ which says no editing, this is queued. 

I'm not sure I've said that other people go out of their way...  But... None of us needs to post tons of pictures, a free port with 15 is a reasonable sample, so why do we share stuff on line at all ? We do it to get people to say nice things, click that little heart button and perhaps get the "super heart" of an FPI rosette if we're lucky. I don't think I've met anyone who keeps posting anywhere with zero feedback (how many people have set up a web site, found it is a cobweb site, and stopped refreshing for example. We get found at IG or PP, and keep posting content for the dopamine hits). 

We do the work we want to do, but do we do it a vacuum without being shaped at all by what people have said they liked in the past? 
If one model tells me she like "type A" work we did and another model tells me she likes "type B", when I shoot with them again I'll probably shoot  they type they like, right?  If I find that BlueSky likes "edgy" and Instagram likes "chocolate box" which will I post to each?   So that subconscious thing in your head that says "if I do whatever it should succeed" is coloured, deliberately or not, by what has succeeded in the past when you shoot, and what you upload to a site is influenced by the response to your past uploads. We get trained to do the things that produce the dopamine hits. It's not an "other people" thing, I do it, and you'd be very unusual if you didn't.

CalmNudes said

JME Studios said

CalmNudes I'm going down to a free account in the new year, so it's interesting what you say about the 15 images.

Free accounts work to say "here is some of my work, if you like it contact me". If that's your purpose you don't need hundreds

JPea said

CalmNudes

A most interesting contribution.

You can get FPIs with very sexual images.

I post what I want to post irrespective of whether it is FPI material or even whether anyone will like it.

I presume I must have had nominations for FPIs as I have some but I have never been aware of these other than members saying in a comment that they have nominated an image.

It's nice to get an FPI but I do nothing to try to get one.

I just take "my images".

I am always fascinated when people discuss the way "other people" go out of their way to get FPIs.

How so?

You can, it is certainly not impossible. But for the just under 70,000 FPI I have data for 

54.53% are safe for work

45.08% are NSFW

0.38% are Adult 

So about 1 adult per 263 FPIs which is about once every 11 days. Of those "Adult" how many are "very sexual". 

Now, what I don't know is of all the uploads to the site how many are SFW/NSFW/Adult / very sexual adult, and is the quality split different between them (for example , do people upload a lot of sub-standard tits and bums stuff - NSFW - just because it is tits and bums? or conversely are people who are very painstaking about the rope work in shibari shots at least as painstaking with their lighting and composition and produce work which is above average photographically ?) 

What I do know is the there are 2 Duos in the first 3 pages of FPIs at the moment is on the third page. In those pages nothing to me looked like kink / fetish / BDSM (no duos with one in a more dominant role.). If you have a look on my port at the FPIs page the last one was awarded to a Lenza for a shot with her an Beth Kate that I did. Now go 5/6 rows down my port and look at the two I've posted from the same shoot, with the lights in the same place and the same outfits. My contention is that the subtext of those two -and the most recent 5 - that "A 'controls' B" works against them. 

Other members may tell you they have tossed a picture on the "elves please look at this" pile  https://purpleport.com/images/suggested/ 
That is not the same as an elf seeing it and saying "this should be a FPI", which makes it vanish from the suggested list, causes the "Suggest for FPI" link to disappear at the top the picture, and displays an message if you go to https://purpleport.com/image-manager/ which says no editing, this is queued. 

I'm not sure I've said that other people go out of their way...  But... None of us needs to post tons of pictures, a free port with 15 is a reasonable sample, so why do we share stuff on line at all ? We do it to get people to say nice things, click that little heart button and perhaps get the "super heart" of an FPI rosette if we're lucky. I don't think I've met anyone who keeps posting anywhere with zero feedback (how many people have set up a web site, found it is a cobweb site, and stopped refreshing for example. We get found at IG or PP, and keep posting content for the dopamine hits). 

We do the work we want to do, but do we do it a vacuum without being shaped at all by what people have said they liked in the past? 
If one model tells me she like "type A" work we did and another model tells me she likes "type B", when I shoot with them again I'll probably shoot  they type they like, right?  If I find that BlueSky likes "edgy" and Instagram likes "chocolate box" which will I post to each?   So that subconscious thing in your head that says "if I do whatever it should succeed" is coloured, deliberately or not, by what has succeeded in the past when you shoot, and what you upload to a site is influenced by the response to your past uploads. We get trained to do the things that produce the dopamine hits. It's not an "other people" thing, I do it, and you'd be very unusual if you didn't.

I work the other way round to your suggestion.

I choose a particular model for a particular style of image. I don't shoot a particular image because a model says they like that sort of image.

I genuinely do not shoot images guided by what people have said they like in the past.  I try to make images because they are, hopefully, interesting to me.

I put up a lot of images because they record what I have done. Whether anyone likes them is not relevant. They are also there so that a model can decide whether they want to be involved making those sort of images.

 In fact I make images that are not particularly liked by people.

Calm Nudes said...

I don't believe any recipient ever felt nothing at all about getting an FPI. If they felt negative, they'd start using members only, and otherwise the felt positive. It's a pat on the back, a gold star from the teacher. You can't buy a new camera with it, but someone might be a bit keener to work with you.  But why would someone say "I have zero but they don't matter", or "I have hundreds but they don't matter".  If they don't matter then, ipso facto, the number that you have doesn't matter, so why bring it up. 

It's YOU who has been quoting numbers. I don't think anyone other than YOU has referred to numbers. Nor has anyone else been intrusive enough to quote specific people's statistics.  

Orson Carter said

  

Calm Nudes said...

I don't believe any recipient ever felt nothing at all about getting an FPI. If they felt negative, they'd start using members only, and otherwise the felt positive. It's a pat on the back, a gold star from the teacher. You can't buy a new camera with it, but someone might be a bit keener to work with you.  But why would someone say "I have zero but they don't matter", or "I have hundreds but they don't matter".  If they don't matter then, ipso facto, the number that you have doesn't matter, so why bring it up. 

It's YOU who has been quoting numbers. I don't think anyone other than YOU has referred to numbers. Nor has anyone else been intrusive enough to quote specific people's statistics.  

  

I have, but don't quote unless asked to by that individual, the number of direct awards to ports. On another recent thread https://purpleport.com/group/let-s-talk-about-fpis/197075/who-has-the-greatest-number-of-fpi-s/page/2/#gr3927188  someone quoted you as in the 400+ club  which includes tags from others ports not just "directs", they also quote Lulu has having 685 (mostly from tags, nor "directs)  https://purpleport.com/group/let-s-talk-about-fpis/197075/who-has-the-greatest-number-of-fpi-s/page/2/#gr3927291 someone else said had had 604 and Artemis had 994. 

But anyone visiting your port can click when you joined: 16 Sept 2011, 4,748 days ago. Call it 4800. They can click on the the FPI Rosette and see the number you tagged in is 606, call it 600. If they know their 6 times table 6 8s are 48 so 8 times as many days as FPIs, or 1 FPI per 8 days over the whole 13 years. And when there is belly-aching about a few people getting a large proportion I chuck words like "Pareto distribution" into the discussion, say that you should expect a few people to upload tons of FPI-able pictures, and if you look at what people like the heavily awarded should really have even more. Hang it all, if it were left to me I'd have given you more than you have. 

But you were arguing it didn't matter whether someone gets many, some or none, now you're saying it's intrusive to mention what everyone can see.  If you hadn't said they didn't matter I wouldn't queried someone with so many saying that to those with very few.

And I think the problem the site has had for as long as I have been here is that it will always be 80% of awards going 20% of awardees with a few getting very high numbers (if you want a starker number 50% of awards go to 4% ) Those who hoover up most of them say they don't care, and those who care feel hard by at never getting one, so the site would be a happier place if they were abolished.

CalmNudes said

Orson Carter said

  

Calm Nudes said...

I don't believe any recipient ever felt nothing at all about getting an FPI. If they felt negative, they'd start using members only, and otherwise the felt positive. It's a pat on the back, a gold star from the teacher. You can't buy a new camera with it, but someone might be a bit keener to work with you.  But why would someone say "I have zero but they don't matter", or "I have hundreds but they don't matter".  If they don't matter then, ipso facto, the number that you have doesn't matter, so why bring it up. 

It's YOU who has been quoting numbers. I don't think anyone other than YOU has referred to numbers. Nor has anyone else been intrusive enough to quote specific people's statistics.  

  

I have, but don't quote unless asked to by that individual, the number of direct awards to ports. On another recent thread https://purpleport.com/group/let-s-talk-about-fpis/197075/who-has-the-greatest-number-of-fpi-s/page/2/#gr3927188  someone quoted you as in the 400+ club  which includes tags from others ports not just "directs", they also quote Lulu has having 685 (mostly from tags, nor "directs)  https://purpleport.com/group/let-s-talk-about-fpis/197075/who-has-the-greatest-number-of-fpi-s/page/2/#gr3927291 someone else said had had 604 and Artemis had 994. 

But anyone visiting your port can click when you joined: 16 Sept 2011, 4,748 days ago. Call it 4800. They can click on the the FPI Rosette and see the number you tagged in is 606, call it 600. If they know their 6 times table 6 8s are 48 so 8 times as many days as FPIs, or 1 FPI per 8 days over the whole 13 years. And when there is belly-aching about a few people getting a large proportion I chuck words like "Pareto distribution" into the discussion, say that you should expect a few people to upload tons of FPI-able pictures, and if you look at what people like the heavily awarded should really have even more. Hang it all, if it were left to me I'd have given you more than you have. 

But you were arguing it didn't matter whether someone gets many, some or none, now you're saying it's intrusive to mention what everyone can see.  If you hadn't said they didn't matter I wouldn't queried someone with so many saying that to those with very few.

And I think the problem the site has had for as long as I have been here is that it will always be 80% of awards going 20% of awardees with a few getting very high numbers (if you want a starker number 50% of awards go to 4% ) Those who hoover up most of them say they don't care, and those who care feel hard by at never getting one, so the site would be a happier place if they were abolished.

Jeez! 

By the way... Thank you for paying so much attention to my activities on this site. Forgive me if I'm not flattered by having a stalker. 

Edited by Orson Carter

I think there is a disparity between what the members want to see as FPIs which seems to be original photographic work with a wider spread, unique and different but perhaps not technically spot on rather than the same old stuff which is trotted out daily and that's why a fair amount of members have the FPI widget switched off (including me) and.....

what is good advertising for the site which is reliable photography of a decent standard but not particularly thrilling or exciting for the members that see it potentially too much to appreciate it.

Perhaps the answer is keeping the FPI shots (ie advertising standard shots) but rebranding them so they are just shots chosen for the site publicity without the rosette accolade and then have a different, seperate way of appreciating individual members such as voting for the most popular shot of the day and making it SFW and a separate one for NSFW.

But then you would likely hit the same problems that already exist of accusations of cliques and people voting for their friends etc etc......

So I think whatever you do, you're not going to solve the gripes over the FPIs and favoured shots.

Better just to keep it the way it is and accept that in the FPIs you get a range of

1. Absolutely insanely incredible shots

2. Competent shots but boring for the daily site user

3. Shots that really should not be FPIs and you don't have a clue how they got there (I think mine would fit into that category 😄)

And then finally

4. Very occasionally shots that are just so wrong on every level that they are utter brilliance.

We want to see more of these!

Btw, I find some remarkable shots on Vero at times and it's desperately under rated.

Between the penises that want to leap from the page and strangle me of course 😏

It caters for mainly a European base but then we all know the best creativity comes from Europe so it really is worth a gander for those "different" shots.

Edited by Margo Jost