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MODELS AND PHOTOGRAPHERS PLEASE READ!!! The dangers of some of the most beautiful locations..
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Marmalade

By Marmalade, 1429530687

After spending some time this weekend playing in the most beautiful waterfalls I've seen as from my experience of it this weekend they can also be absolutely LETHAL.. and whilst there are some beautiful shots to come, it could easily have ended differently and I wanted to share this quickly as the suns out and I'm sure everyone will be playing in them soon..

ALL IS NOT WHAT IT SEEMS.....

I'm pretty sensible in places like this, but also a little over enthusiastic sometimes when I start bouncing in a location :) On first look it was breathtaking, and appeared to be shallow around the base of the falls.. There was a spectacular shot kneeling under them on first look, and some against the rock to the side.. So the snowboard gear was stripped of, towls at the ready and I started to walk out to the rocks. Not as easy as first thought as you couldn't see the bottom, it got very deep in places very quickly, and wase to depth and set a shot up stood against the rocks.. Footing by then was lethal, and there were currents under the water so luckily I was testing my footing inch by inch by then.. I hadn't however noticed the change in the water to black on the surface, which I now know is a good indication of depth :) Luckily I was being cautious as I put my right foot out to look for the next foothold to find nothing under it! I reached around and very quickly realised that the ground just fell away under the fall, stopped shooting and came out to warm up and re think.. On putting a branch in after it appears it would have been chest to neck high, and there were strongish currents.. Some may think ok then, but the pressure of the falls would push you under in seconds!

So....

1) If you can't see the bottom easily, test it first with a branch or even a piece of rope, and look to see if the water is swirling anywhere.

2) Go slowly a few inches at a time and test your footing before you put your feet down.. These places are utterly breathtaking and your natural instict is to dive in, but  try and curb your enthusiasm enough to to be safe obout it and slow down :) And photographers, please be patient...:) 

3) If you fall in even six inches of water and hit your head, you could well drown.. Especially as the photographer could be a fair way from you and may have to cross pretty nasty stuff to get to you.... I struggled here bare foot.. I'm going to solve this next time with surf boots, thin, warm and brilliant grip but still keeping the feel... Yes, they may look and feel silly, but if they're below the water who cares.. Your pose will be preety awful if your fighting for balance and grip, and hanging on for dear life! But anything with rubber soles is better than nothing, but flip flops a big no no... They need to be properly attached to you feet....

4) Moss may look pretty but is impossilbly slippery when wet... If your struggling to stand up in the slightest from a sat or laid pose, don't try!!!!Stick to them....:)

TEMPERATURE.....

I'm used to the cold, but having shot here in the evening after the sun went down, and the middle of the day, there was a huge difference.. In the evening the water was so cold it made you hyperventilate, and more than a minute or two at a time was impossible.. The following day presented more challenges shooting, but the sun meant we could shoot for much longer, and put some of the things right and experiment more!

So....

1) It may pose more of a challenge to shoot during the warmest parts of the day, however you run far less risk of hypothermia, and you will ultimately achieve more from your model!

2) Towels, towlling robes, blankets,hot drinks, several spare pairs of THERMAL socks, and extremely warm clothing  (snowboard gear works for me and you don't look like a train spotter...) and gloves are essential even in Spring and Summer... That water won't get any warmer :) 

AND BEAR YOUR LOCATION IN MIND!!.....

These places are beautiful, but very remote, and if your injured and require medical help ot treatment for hypothermia, you're not gonna land a helicopter anywhere near, may not have phone signal, and may not even get a vehicle close, so you need to do ANYTHING you can to minimise the risks...

HAPPY WATERFALLS!!!!!!!! :) x

Orson Carter said, 1429530913

Excellent advice.

(And watch out for window frames as well. :)

Horoma Photography said, 1429531036

Very good advise, that works for coastal area too.

Taylor Ericsson said, 1429531282

This should be kept at the top, especially now the warmer weather/longer days are appearing.

Last thing we want to hear about is anyone being injured or much worse.

Thank You Marmalade :-)

 

Simone Orsini said, 1429531304

Never enter water bare foot, there can be all sorts of nasties like broken glass etc.. 

When we are cold we make bad decisions, never get to the point of shivering uncontrollably, and yes photogs its your job to watch out for the model.. Better still an assistant/MUA to watch out for both photog and model.. 

Ecce! said, 1429531312

Marmalade, I seriously admire your dedication! I've experienced cold (nude in the woods in November, scream) and I'd do it again, but a waterfall in the evening, in the dark? If I'm ever as brave as you I'll be sure to follow your advice!

Taylor Ericsson said, 1429531387

As @mussy has said, coastal too.

Two locations that you have to be careful of, tidal times etc..

Filey Brigg and Robin Hoods Bay.

Might be good if we can collate a list from our own knowledge and experience[s]

PeterH said, 1429531477

And remember photographers, if this is your idea, you're liable should anything go wrong. You can't contract out of personal injury claims.

intensepuppyOLD said, 1429531715

Crikey. 8D

 

Camellia said, 1429531777

Thank you for a VERY helpful post - this is extremely relevant with the warmer weather now coming on.  It sounds like you had quite a fright.  

Shutterbug01 said, 1429531854

Living on a small island here, I have the utmost respect for water (and the sea...never turn your back on it).  Like you say moss and what appears as "dry" seaweed is deadly slippery, to easy for accidents too happen.  Very mindful advice here, thanks.

Marmalade said, 1429532048

Orson Carter said

Excellent advice.

(And watch out for window frames as well. :)


Window frame survival is to follow shortly....;) x

 

Mussy said

Very good advise, that works for coastal area too.


Yep! It's mostly common sense, but sometimes it evades all of us :)

 

Taylor S. Ericsson said

This should be kept at the top, especially now the warmer weather/longer days are appearing.

Last thing we want to hear about is anyone being injured or much worse.

Thank You Marmalade :-)

 


I wanted to put this up quickly for that very reason..:) It's great to put these spectacular shots up, but it does worry me sometimes that peoples reaction is to dash aout and try something similar without realising what's behind the shot :) Calf height water in the shot, but could be neverending a foot to the right or left :( And if you think you know how cold it is, x it by ten at least! My muscles in my legs were so cold, I couldn't get back up the hill..so parking and access at the end of a long shoot are important too....

Simon Fairclough said

Never enter water bare foot, there can be all sorts of nasties like broken glass etc.. 

When we are cold we make bad decisions, never get to the point of shivering uncontrollably, and yes photogs its your job to watch out for the model.. Better still an assistant/MUA to watch out for both photog and model.. 


:) And flip flops work at the beach, but not somewhere as uneven as this..

Shivering is fine, but not uncontrllably.. It's your bodies way of warming itself up.. But you need to be in control of it.. A paper bag is good if you hyperventilate a bit, especiaaly getting in and out! And a helper with towels to "cuddle" you with helps, and clothes near by is always a god send :) And yes, a good extra pair of eyes!

Marmalade said, 1429532710

Ecce! said

Marmalade, I seriously admire your dedication! I've experienced cold (nude in the woods in November, scream) and I'd do it again, but a waterfall in the evening, in the dark? If I'm ever as brave as you I'll be sure to follow your advice!



Taylor S. Ericsson said

As @mussy has said, coastal too.

Two locations that you have to be careful of, tidal times etc..

Filey Brigg and Robin Hoods Bay.

Might be good if we can collate a list from our own knowledge and experience[s]



intensepuppy said

Crikey. 8D

 



Felice Mortenson said

Thank you for a VERY helpful post - this is extremely relevant with the warmer weather now coming on.  It sounds like you had quite a fright.  



Shutterbug01 said

Living on a small island here, I have the utmost respect for water (and the sea...never turn your back on it).  Like you say moss and what appears as "dry" seaweed is deadly slippery, to easy for accidents too happen.  Very mindful advice here, thanks.


Not sure if it's bravery or stupidy sometimes, but I do have a fair bit of common sense...

You ALWAYS need to know the tide times, and also if there are any sand banks ie West Wittering... I've seen people marooned on them. And also sunset as it will then go pitch black and you have to get to your car if it's difficult terrain.. Torches and maps and a good old fashioned compass. Even the best sat nav is useless if there's no satellites :)

Not so much of a fright, but it does make you think of all the little things you do you take for granted, and make you curb over enthusiasm a little and take time to consider things.. And highlight the importance of testing locations without models or pressure beforehand to understand a difficult locations safety first :)

And an abundance of very hard sharp rock without any grip always has the potential to be lethal..no matter how pretty :)

Marmalade said, 1429532937

PeterH said

And remember photographers, if this is your idea, you're liable should anything go wrong. You can't contract out of personal injury claims.


If I've chosen to do something like this in any kind of extreme location I can guarantee I will have been very much as involved in the decision and idea, and therefore wholly responsible for my own actions, as is the photographer.. If you look at it any other way, DON'T shoot it!!!!! Nobody's insurance will cover them in a building they're not meant to be in or private land, or even if it's considered you did not take due care, which most of these sorts of places will fall under..

Oryx said, 1429533249

I have those surf/dive boots for that exact purpose.  A photographer lent me a pair a few years back and I can't live without them now.  No image is worth getting injured over!

Marmalade said, 1429533411

Oryx said

I have those surf/dive boots for that exact purpose.  A photographer lent me a pair a few years back and I can't live without them now.  No image is worth getting injured over!


Anything designed to stick your feet to a surf board has to work! It's just a shame you can't wax the rocks I guess.....:)

Typically I survived all this and the verical climb down, only to fall up the hill and gash my hand! Typical..:)