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Is this the new norm?

 

Mel4nie

By Mel4nie, 1734202258

For me, when arranging a shoot, whether I'm doing it in the capacity of a photographer or model comms are everything.

Of late, I've experienced a massive downturn in terms of general courtesy and respect.

I know people have lives outside of this community, but when you are striking up a conversation with someone about a shoot, I would expect the conversation to be two-way and rather fluid because you'd hope that the other party is quite motivated and excited by the prospect of the shooting an idea.

So why is it, you send a person a message, days go by with out a response, yet the other person can find plenty of time to like posts, post images of themselves and go on other social media, but can't find 30 seconds of their day to respond to you message.

People will say I, it's the time of year and we are distracted by Xmas preparations, but I been monitoring this since the end of summer.

Quite frankly, I find this rather rude, especially if you are going out of your way to pay for studios costs or other items related to the shoot.

People need to pull up their socks and act a little more professionally in my view.

If you can't be bothered to respond to a shoot enquiry in a timely matter, it speaks volumes about your commitment to the shoot.

KernowPhoto said, 1734202644

It does seem to be the new 'norm'. I've also been in a number of conversations with models regarding shoots, only to be ghosted as final arranagements need to be planned and/or times and venues confirmed.

JME Studios said, 1734208731

I can't disagree with anything you've said. Ghosting is becoming a real problem and you're absolutely right it's not a seasonal thing.

If you don't want to shoot, "Sorry, I'm no longer interested" are merely five words which would save SO much aggro. And I'd respect any model ten times more if she just was honest and did that rather than go off grid.

Mel4nie said, 1734209290

It almost feels like the referencing system needs to be updated so we can drive these time wasters out of the industry.

For now, I keep a list, those are swiftly blocked as I absolutely have no intention of giving them second chances so they can waste my time again.

B17fan said, 1734209953

Although it can be annoying I also appreciate that sometimes it's easy to just "love" images on the move using a phone or similar. I'd rather answer someone on a message when I have time to sit & consider it.

That certainly doesn't excuse ghosting or late cancelling though.

Sensual Art said, 1734210022

Trying to be charitable, it's quite possible to use other social media, liking and posting, just on their mobile, but checking calendars and the co-ordination between your message and the five others that are coming in (and that's just the serious ones) is something they prefer to do on their admin day, in the office space, on the desktop computer.

Possible.

It doesn't inspire confidence in the potential customers, and doesn't give the reassurance that "I'll get back to you as soon as I can", but it's possible.

BIMS said, 1734210309

its true,  I think the days of expecting a fluid two way conversation are behind us,  its not an age thing but an era thing.  It's cool to go quiet and mumble :) 

Gothic Image said, 1734210385

Are we talking about newcomers here or established creatives?

Sensual Art said, 1734210476

Gothic Image In my case it's established members.  I very rarely approach newer members these days.

Mirror Image'S' said, 1734211420

Similar to the post i put up a few weeks ago, makes you not want to bother.

Mel4nie said, 1734211458

Gothic Image actually, I've experienced it from both new and experienced persons, the latter of which I find very disappointing as they should know better.

JME Studios said, 1734212343

I've experienced it from all sides TBH.

Lenswonder said, 1734212496

Some people are just scared of letting others down directly. Some people don't get the message even if ghosted, unless they get an answer even than it doesn't work. So ghosting becomes the new normal.

Way I see it if someone's ghosting you , the message has already been sent. Do you really want to meet that person ? What attitude do you think they will bring to the shoot ?

When I think of who's ghosted me I think I've actually been very lucky.

ADWsPhotos said, 1734213560

I’ve only ever arranged from the photographer role. In my view pre shoot communication ranges from brilliant to barely existent. I try to be consistent, and I’m very familiar with the view of many models with whom I’ve shot that they can be swamped with not just requests / organisation around a shoot, but general chat. I make a point of trying not to feeling I’m pestering, so I moderate my comms to try to reflect what appears to be the willingness of the model to engage in any level of detail around a shoot. That said I’m aware I can talk (and type) for England to someone who seems receptive (which in itself can be a problem, I wonder how many seemingly receptive models just don’t like to offend)

All that being so, I think the last few years have had a marked change in what I view as willingness to communicate, I feel things have become (perhaps understandably) more ‘transactional’.

MidgePhoto said, 1734213789

Some people are not very textual.

Pictures may be different.

They may be in the right place.

And I think a lot of people are over-busy.

JME Studios said, 1734215392

Lenswonder said

Some people are just scared of letting others down directly. Some people don't get the message even if ghosted, unless they get an answer even than it doesn't work. So ghosting becomes the new normal.

Way I see it if someone's ghosting you , the message has already been sent. Do you really want to meet that person ? What attitude do you think they will bring to the shoot ?

When I think of who's ghosted me I think I've actually been very lucky.

You're not wrong.  Had a model cancel, but was initially happy to rearrange as it seemed genuine.  Then suddenly she went super quiet on me over on IG.  So yesterday, I messaged her on here as she'd posted that she was free to shoot today.  Her response was to block me.

Another one we agreed a shoot a few weeks back.  Barely heard anything until yesterday when she let me down.

The whole thing makes me feel that stepping back in the New Year is the right thing to do.  I've definitely lost my mojo recently.