How have/are the attitudes toward nude/topless photography changing?

I think it’s difficult to say as it depends which channel you look at. E.g. Amateur Photographer stopped showing nudity ages ago and the current editor decries even the most arty nakedness. But channels like PP never used to exist and seems to be going well in general. On broadcast TV there’s more nsfw stuff than ever, although it’s not artistic. Maybe traditional glamour photography will die out?

I've been saying this in light of the Gregg Wallace scandal. The line was in a totally different place in the mid 2000's compared to where it is 20 years on.

FHM, Nuts, Zoo, Loaded etc have all died out - FHM started in the 1980's but couldn't survive the brave new era.

In 2007 we had Nuts TV featuring a pre-Radio 2 OJ Borg and Comedy Dave from Chris Moyles' old show. It was four hours of proper "Tits & Bums" TV. Go back to the 1990's and TV shows like The Word, The Girlie Show & Don't Forget Your Toothbrush all pushed the line. None of it would pass muster today. None.

Beauty pageants have also fallen out of fashion. When I worked on them in the 2000's there was a swimsuit round. But Miss England "went woke" for want of a better word fairly early and axed it in around 2010 with Miss World following soon after.

I would say that even just in the three years I've been doing this it's been harder to find models shooting concealed topless and above with quite a few models I've worked with having taken their levels down since our first shoot. I also think it's telling that there are far less younger models than there are older ones working to higher levels, with the vast majority still shooting high levels being over 30; I chalk most of that up to them starting out a decade or more ago, when the genres were much more "fashionable." Page 3 models were always 18-30 (at least once the law changed, as you know that was once 16, most famously with Sam Fox.)

There has been a shift for sure. I'm wonder if sites like this will either simply cease to exist in a few years, or they'll pivot to the continent where sexual expression remains much more accepted in mainstream society, although not as much as it was at the height of "Tits & Bums" culture here.

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Although I post for "loves" I suppose I really shoot for myself, so as long as models are prepared to pose for nude or erotic images I'll continue taking them.

There will always be an audience for this style of images so if P.Ps bubble bursts I suspect I'll find my audience elsewhere.

Allesandro B "Are we as society becoming more prudish?"

I think lack of nuance is becoming more apparent. I've been rolling my eyes at the amount of self righteous sanctimony from certain circles. Every photographer is creepy. Every model is naive that's being taken advantage of. Large degree of focus on the nastiest aspects of amateur model photography which is then flattened and generalised to mean all of it.

The PP "bubble" as you call it...I think it will disappear due to other factors over prudence.

But I think what's happened is more mini Mary Whitehouses have been able to find each other with more ease and they've gotten louder.

Yet I still see topless/nude photography. With a bit of it being very good.

I personally don't have a massive problem with culture deciding that depictions or expressions of nudity belong in context, and that the context might be different depending on who is operating the camera and why.

But I don't think this is particularly new. One photographer who has really changed my perspective on art nude, Anne Brigman, did most of her work in the first twenty years of the 20th century, and in order to get female nudes portrayed the way she wanted to, posed for them herself.

https://www.clevelandart.org/art/1995.199.38.a

Greg Wallace is off topic thanks

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Lads mag whatever you want to say about them were publicly viewed even without you purchasing it. You'd walk into a shop and see it on display, no comparison to OF.

They got rid of all those mags but you find worse or similar on online sites that anyone can enter. PP won't go anywhere because it's a site you have to sign up to , it also gives more protection for those against nudes or less due to the fact you need an account. I think getting rid of those mags was about power more than equality, if OF was a mag they'd do the same and where's the great speeches against OF?

The bit about photographers dying off you're probably right about.

I think its shifting in terms of "exploiting" young women, the days of Rich and powerful men being utter untouchable are going and rightly so.

Its not that long ago - 20 years or so - that fluff and stuff calendars were on engineering office walls, and up to continental level calendars on the workshop floor.

How long after the invention of the camera was the first nude/topless image taken.

Us that do this sort of thing are in a bubble; no matter how hard you protest, erotica and art nude [unless there's an urn] will always be considered soft porn and open legs as porn, by them outside the bubble.

Taking pictures of scantily clad or naked women was around maybe a century before the Internet came along ... and all the Internet has done, is make it easier.

Taking pictures [in some form] of scantily clad or naked women will continue for as long as there are women that want to do it.

It's just the delivery method has changed.

Has attitudes changed? Nope ... its still seen as a seedy activity done by dirty old men, wearing trench coats with holes in the pockets.

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Its always seen as male photographers exploiting young girls.

It's never seen as the models are doing it of their own free will and [many] are making a happy living from it.

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