We should be helping each other, not hurting each other
ANDY00 said, 1729789250
Stu H said, 1729789310
Seems a bit pointless... creating a group and inviting people in to that group when you have a question or vocalising a thought.
Inviting in people ... puts pressure of the person being invited. Puts them on the spot. Makes them feel that they have *no* choice.
Inviting in people ... creates an echo chamber; a room full of the same. Where's the learning / experience sharing in that?
There are 10s of thousands of users on this site ... if we are in "invite in" to the conversation, will there be an 'add all function'?
After all ... the person you *didnt* invite is likely to have the answer.
Russ Freeman (staff) said, 1729789367
ANDY00 said, 1729789372
Russ Freeman said
ANDY00 said
Russ Freeman said
ANDY00 , maybe I wasn't clear, as it seems that you think I have suggested closing ALL groups when I didn't say that.
I suggested closing the groups that seem to cause the most trouble, such as this group, and leaving the groups such as games, share a shoot, image critique, and member-created groups alone.
Surely, you would just create a new group called Andy's General Chat, and invite everyone you wanted to chat with to it? Which would hopefully result in more conversation not less.
As I said, Russ, it’s your sandbox. I’m really not sure how that would look or work, but you obviously know more about this stuff than I do—I just use the site; I didn’t design it.
And if I remember correctly, around 12 years ago, there were mass bannings at that time or thereabouts due to forums - sorry groups
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Click the heading "groups", and from the grey cog, select "Create a whole new group".
If you want to join find a group, click the button "Find&Join". There are around 650 member-created groups. The oldest is 12+ years old.
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No lol sorry maybe i didnt write that well i mean i dont know how the site would function like that or what it would change, i know how to make a group, sorry i must have explained that badly lol
MidgePhoto said, 1729789843
ANDY00 said
parkway said
MaristarOxley it's great to live in fantasy land but the harsh reality is we're not living in 1978. so there's alot of pressure on everyone these days in all walks of life. a free ride is not the standard mode of transport. so to make things easier we all have to time travel back to 1978 where everything is chill and it's all good :D
... For one thing, internet forums didn’t exist in 1978, and neither did PurplePort. The World Wide Web was only invented in 1989.And is it fantasy for the OP to want collaborative, accepting conversation on a community forum? Up until now, all responses have seemed pretty positive to me
Interesting you should say that just now.
"Ward Christensen, Early Visionary of Social Media, Dies at 78. Housebound during a 1978 blizzard, he and a friend began devising the first computer bulletin board, a forerunner of online services like Reddit, TikTok and Facebook" (4 days ago)
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/21/technology/ward-christensen-dead.html
He, Suess, and others had been talking about it since 1975
Before even that there were limited and islanded communications systems on any large time-sharing (batch sharing even) computer systems. Doing it with punched cards was quite a ;long way short of the usability of this setup, but very physical.
A Brief History of the Internet
Sharing Resources
The Internet started in the 1960s as a way for government researchers to share information. Computers in the '60s were large and immobile and in order to make use of information stored in any one computer, one had to either travel to the site of the computer or have magnetic computer tapes sent through the conventional postal system.
Another catalyst in the formation of the Internet was the heating up of the Cold War. The Soviet Union's launch of the Sputnik satellite spurred the U.S. Defense Department to consider ways information could still be disseminated even after a nuclear attack. This eventually led to the formation of the ARPANET (Advanced Research Projects Agency Network), the network that ultimately evolved into what we now know as the Internet. ARPANET
https://www.usg.edu/galileo/skills/unit07/internet07_02.phtml
I have a book called "The VIctorian Internet" which is about the development of wired telegraphy, the century before that, which may be too tenuous a linkage through wireless telegraphy, amateur radio, packet switched networks, and so on, but if not one of the roots of the Internet is certainly part of their enfolding mycellium.
And Prof Prof Sir Tim Berners Lee, in his book "Weaving the Web" does touch briefly on history. What he wrote the second* time was the CERN telephone directory management system, although it has found some other uses.
Social networks didn't wait for the WWW, they existed on the 'Net itself, and before that on phone networks - FIDONET of course which may be finding new uses in some places, Compuserve etc more so than CIX, which came out of the Demon Internet structure.
In fact you can run a social network over RFC 2549 and RFC 1149 although it will be slow and tend to shit all over the place ;)
https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc2549
Gripping hand: this stuff didn't start suddenly.
* first time was Enquire Within, an effort at a general purpose encyclopedic and instruction book. It seems to have bogged down in complexity. The Web was intentionally simple.
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Russ Freeman (staff) said, 1729789825
Andy Whiteoak , it's easy to imagine since it would only have the groups you want to be a member of, with only people you wish to chat with in those groups. It ought to be perfect.
MidgePhoto said, 1729790059
Russ Freeman said
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Threading is not the answer, but I do like threaded discussions.
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Continuing a digression or fork so do I.
Perhaps AI will solve it, by getting the humans out of the loop. ;)
Dennis Bloodnok Photography said, 1729790683
MaristarOxley said
I have been a member of PP for some years and was an active member on MM for longer.
I'll be honest, I did prefer MM back in the day, because I did so many great shoots, fashion shows, commercials etc from the platform. However it changed for the worst and I came here.
PP fared well as soon as I can on and I did some great things. But not long afterwards, the style of photography gravitated towards nude work or implied, or fantasy. That's fine, but it soon left me not finding photographers doing a more commercial fashion or editorial style.
That's fine. I got involved in forums to see if I could find contacts. I did at the beginning, but it quickly became bombarded with a lot of negativity, especially for models posting.
I genuinely would love to hear what we as a group could try to do to make collaborations, connections better.
Yes, you have a point here.
But the thing is, if there is say one-person-in-a-hundred who is an obnoxious , insulting , negative "keyboard warrior", then when a site such as PP (or any other site for that matter) grows their membership, then there is a greater chance of really awful people joining a website and making awful comments in forums etc...
Equally, you then get into the debate about what is obnoxious and negative and what is fair comment. Short of closing down every website on the internet, you will always have these issues.
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ClickMore 📷 said, 1729790881
MidgePhoto said
Russ Freeman said
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Threading is not the answer, but I do like threaded discussions.
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Continuing a digression or fork so do I.Perhaps AI will solve it, by getting the humans out of the loop. ;)
Digression is not what we need here. Thanks.
Russ Freeman (staff) said, 1729791280
Maybe we just need more censorship, more posts buried when someone thinks they are off-topic or even if we feel someone might be offended, and more group post suspensions and bans for repeat offenders.
MaristarOxley said, 1729794136
Gothic Image I am thinking that they think I am just being an old fashioned fuddy duddy pining for the good ole days. That's far from what I'm after, but hey ho. If their world is about negativity then it's truly (with no sarcasm in my intent) a sad place to live in
MaristarOxley said, 1729794490
I was 12 and I can't really remember it being a fantasy world. In fact, it was not a great year in my school; a girl in my year was murdered and found in the back of a car, mutilated. Then there was a guy ( no lie, but he wore a trench coat) who was accosting students, including myself. He said that I could be in a Bond film and that I just needed to go to Kings Cross with him. I was either naive or smart, but I kept saying I have to ask my Mother first. He then walked away. 1978 was not a great time.
MaristarOxley said, 1729794676
Tabitha Boydell I would only post on the castings for that. The forums are for discussion of which is getting harder to do on General chat 😐
Allesandro B said, 1729794792
Russ Freeman said
Maybe we just need more censorship, more posts buried when someone thinks they are off-topic or even if we feel someone might be offended, and more group post suspensions and bans for repeat offenders.
I think you are just creating more work for yourself, I mean what % of active members actually view the forums? Going off topic happens everywhere not just here (which is why threaded discussions are the way forward)