We should be helping each other, not hurting each other
GDSandy Photography said, 1730207741
Afrofilmviewer said
MaristarOxley "I will not guess why models put such high stipulations onto their shoot requirements."
I have a feeling but it's not tangible fact. So I won't spew.
But I feel indemnity point is a good one. Is there *that* many models looking for TFP fashion?
I'm still of the belief that not many models are that bothered by groups and connecting. I agree that learning a bit about who you work with helps greatly, but I'm not too sure many models want to. And I don't feel imploring photographers to change will help.
I think that there are models who shoot nude but will also do the odd fashion for tfp. Certainly I can name a couple (but wont in a forum thread). Some of the newer models want to get agency representation and they will work for portfolio worthy shots even though most agencies have walk ins and take their own Polas (or used to).
indemnity said, 1730208117
Afrofilmviewer there are models happy to do fashion/beauty images on a TF basis, that really has never been an issue for me personally. However, there is a shortage of suitable models for various reasons mostly as you highlighted in a previous post. Distance, location, filling the intended style or objective, diaries and other things, weather for location etc. I have to be selective in much the same way models are with who they wish to work with too.
MaristarOxley said, 1730208835
Afrofilmviewer I m not going to implore anyone to do anything they don't want to do. This subject keeps veering towards an us vs them regarding shooting whatever.
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Afrofilmviewer said, 1730209488
I apologise there. It is however what the conversation seems to be sometimes aiming at. You have asked collectively what people can do to change forums, but I do feel the conversation seems to suggest it actually leans to one side.
I will say however alot of this is based on how some approach this place.
Afrofilmviewer said, 1730209619
indemnity "Distance, location, filling the intended style or objective, diaries and other things, weather for location etc. I have to be selective in much the same way models are with who they wish to work with too."
Concur. I often feel this gets disregarded for some.
Jessica Knight said, 1730211147
Afrofilmviewer said
MaristarOxley "I will not guess why models put such high stipulations onto their shoot requirements."
I have a feeling but it's not tangible fact. So I won't spew.
But I feel indemnity point is a good one. Is there *that* many models looking for TFP fashion?
I'm still of the belief that not many models are that bothered by groups and connecting. I agree that learning a bit about who you work with helps greatly, but I'm not too sure many models want to. And I don't feel imploring photographers to change will help.
Why the assumption that if a model does fashion its tfp. Its still a skill if done well and still is work. In fact i would say needs more skill than just getting ready for a shower ;-)
Margo Jost said, 1730211943
MaristarOxley thank you for your kind words, it is much appreciated and it certainly is not your fault for the passive aggressive comments, it is an ongoing issue and has been for a long time so please do not think that it's your thread that has caused it.
Many people have seen the thread and are disgusted by the comments on it and it does only reflect badly on the people doing it and no one else.
I hope that one day models will not have to be subjected to this sort of abuse (I'm not the only model who has suffered this from a small group of people on here) and can interact in the forums without fear of this happening.
If they attempt to interact with me again on the forums I will just reply to say I think they are abusive and therefore do not want to interact with them and leave it at that.
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Afrofilmviewer said, 1730212960
Because that was what MaristarOxley was considering for in the earlier conversation.
MaristarOxley said, 1730215335
In general, but not exclusively; photographers, going by my experience only, will not want to pay for Fashion. I've only been paid for fashion, if it's stock photography where the photographer sells the image. Fashion is more of an expense and more planning than nude. It's going off- topic again, but I have to have an awful lot of wardrobe, accessories to plan a shoot. I also have to lug it with me, along with make up, having my hair done... It's not a cheap option by far, but doing nude requires a great understanding of your own body, maintaining body/skin condition and putting yourself at somewhat of a higher risk of unsavory moments if with an untrustworthy photographer. BUT bad things can happen to everyone.
MaristarOxley said, 1730215620
Jessica Knight In defence of good nude modelling, one would be putting on a different skill hat, rather than just standing in a shower, but there are levels of professionalism in all categories that are displayed on this platform.
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MaristarOxley said, 1730215579
Afrofilmviewer it is leaning to interesting, yet predictable sides of thoughts. All good, if we look at it positively.
Gothic Image said, 1730216690
Huw said
MaristarOxley said
....the style of photography gravitated towards nude work or implied, or fantasy. That's fine, but it soon left me not finding photographers doing a more commercial fashion or editorial style...
Jessica Knight said
Totally agree with the op. This place had little room for those of us who have other skills and prefer not to get our kit off....
This is in no way an attack, but haven't both of you correctly identified that PP doesn't really cater for the kind of work that you wish to be paid to shoot?
Are you sure about that? There are several of us who shoot fashion and pay models to do so.
Tabitha Boydell said, 1730218483
Gothic Image yes, god forbid how much I’ve spent on fully clothed models in the last 12 months. £40,000?
Huw said, 1730218723
Gothic Image said
Huw said
MaristarOxley said
....the style of photography gravitated towards nude work or implied, or fantasy. That's fine, but it soon left me not finding photographers doing a more commercial fashion or editorial style...
Jessica Knight said
Totally agree with the op. This place had little room for those of us who have other skills and prefer not to get our kit off....
This is in no way an attack, but haven't both of you correctly identified that PP doesn't really cater for the kind of work that you wish to be paid to shoot?
Are you sure about that? There are several of us who shoot fashion and pay models to do so.
Yes, but the models you are paying to shoot fashion appear to be mainly in their 20s, not around 60....
Part of the same problem, I fear.
People pay to shoot what they want to shoot.
I shot someone last year who never shoots nudes (with clothes on), and I'd leap at the chance of shooting any other model who has done over 200 free-fall parachute jumps,
Huw said, 1730218936
Tabitha Boydell said
Gothic Image yes, god forbid how much I’ve spent on fully clothed models in the last 12 months. £40,000?
Mostly under 30?
One or two over 40?