Fake accounts

Orson Carter said

Unfocussed Mike said

Bergman Greenstreet said

Orson Carter I remember that post from last week. "Collaboration or being paid" Ended up in the sin bin. The op was a very grumpy cove.

I don't think that's the one Orson means. I think he's referring to a brief, fiery moment of nasty tiktok bullying that arrived on the forums, collapsed into self-parody and was then washed off with bleach by the admins. It was short-lived.

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Mike - you're right. It was the bullying one I was referring to. And the poster had been on here for about six months. :(  

Coincidentally, A few weeks ago I was in communication with someone who started asking questions that, IMO, seemed a bit strange for someone in their location and with their background to be asking. Nothing untoward - nothing reportable - but perhaps they were hoping to eventually steer the conversation. Anyway... I stopped replying. And lo and behold... A day or two ago I had a notification that that person had been removed from the site. I obviously wasn't told why they were removed, but I did a 2+2.  

Thanks Mike for the correct reference.  I think I must have missed that episode on the forums. 

I missed the bullying episode too. The guy with the two threads was of fairly long standing ISTR.

As I've said elsewhere I managed to be had by the student coming from Texas to study in Manchester a few weeks ago. Very chatty on PP and, despite being a new model, wanted to do Nude TFP which never happens, certainly not on casting calls anyway. I should not have been so trusting and others with more spidey senses than I hit Report very quickly. She then deactivated before being removed from the site anyway.

It's only now I look back and realise someone in Texas was being very quick to reply at 10am our time - 4am in Austin and even earlier in the west.

As we said at the time, I imagine there's a few "honey trap" sockpuppet accounts out there and I wonder if this was one.

I was really interested in this thread because it started of with someone pretending to be the model that a photographer had worked with asking for nude photographs of their shoot. I just couldn't figure out why, was it so they could just have them or make money illegally behind a pay per view. Since then there is a discussion about Tic Toc, bullying, a student from Texas studying in Manchester and "honey trap" accounts which sounds preposterous to a normal person?

Please can someone explain what dangers we are meant to be aware of and why someone is trying to set a honey trap for members, are certain members being targeted by their partners/husband, wife?

many thanks.

tandi said

I was really interested in this thread because it started of with someone pretending to be the model that a photographer had worked with asking for nude photographs of their shoot. I just couldn't figure out why, was it so they could just have them or make money illegally behind a pay per view. Since then there is a discussion about Tic Toc, bullying, a student from Texas studying in Manchester and "honey trap" accounts which sounds preposterous to a normal person?

Please can someone explain what dangers we are meant to be aware of and why someone is trying to set a honey trap for members, are certain members being targeted by their partners/husband, wife?

many thanks.

I'm not the OP, but as mentioned in my earlier posting I've had exactly the same. In my case I assumed (albeit without any evidence) that the fake person was a stalker who hoped to get revealing pics of the model. As for pay per view, I know absolutely nothing about those sites (honest, ma'am!) but is there any worthwhile money to be made from those sites? I have doubts. 

Honeytraps - just an assumption based on no evidence whatsoever (again), but could the trappers be hoping to find something juicy which then can then use to embarrass the victim on social media? 

many thanks for the reponse that is a real concern to hear that potentially someone would attempt to take photo to embarrass someone.

I assumed that would be illegal, which I based on copyright infringement and revenge porn.

Hopefully the OP or the models who had their accounts faked know why, because it sounds awlful

tandi said

many thanks for the reponse that is a real concern to hear that potentially someone would attempt to take photo to embarrass someone.

I assumed that would be illegal, which I based on copyright infringement and revenge porn.

Hopefully the OP or the models who had their accounts faked know why, because it sounds awlful

That's just a hunch on my part. I've been known to be wrong - ask my wife. :) 

Anything is possible, though I would imagine that there are a few law enforcement departments on here investigating things too, so we should be safe from the badies 👍

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tandi Unfortunately police have bigger fish to fry, from personal experience. The best thing you can do is send a copyright infringement notice and a DMCA takedown

tandi said

Anything is possible, though I would imagine that there are a few law enforcement departments on here investigating things too, so we should be safe from the badies 👍

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I hope I (or this thread) didn't cause alarm. 

Yes - there are a few iffy characters around. And, yes - there are occasions when things do not go as one would have liked. But in my experience - and also by listening to others - I'm confident that the overwhelming majority of people on here are honest and ethical, and that the overwhelming majority of shoots go well. 

tandi An example. There have been a few threads which explain there are sites where members actively try to ‘collect’ images of specific ‘people’. I say people as the subjects may or nay not be models.

Why do so? Simply perverse, perverted human nature I guess. For example, a fair few models begin shooting all sorts of levels, then later decide they don’t want, say, nude images around of them any more. So they stop modelling nude, and perhaps they try to get stuff removed by cooperative photographers- I’ve personally removed stuff on this basis a number of times. I’ve known several of those to become targets for these ‘collectors’ who apparently get a kick from getting such material. One way the collector might try to do so could be to set up fake accounts pretending to be the target, and approach those who have shot with said target. I’ve had numerous approaches by who I assume are said collectors asking for sets of images of model X, often offering to pay.

As mentioned above, thankfully this isn’t the norm. But nor are such shenanigans rare.

I've had several approaches over the past few years, from the same email address, purporting to be a particular model and requesting a 'resend' of the images from 'our shoot'. However the standard of English is appalling, the model concerned is not English-born but speaks and wrotes English fluently so it is clearly not her. The last time this chancer tried it on I pointed out to 'him' (presumption of gender) that I know the lady's email address which is nothing like the one used, if the model wanted images she'd just ring me.. so stop trying it on or I'll get the Police involved. Not sure they would but the threat has finally worked, it would appear. I have made the lady concerned aware just in case there is a pattern of behaviour and just in case there is any cause for concern or her safety. But bloody helll, the chancers are out there and quite bloody persistent!

I've definitely had several instances over the years -- not on this site, but on other modeling sites -- of deeply questionable interactions with alleged models where shoots never materialized, and a couple where I was fairly certain it was the model's partner/"manager" I was communicating with and not the model proper. I think a certain level of catfishing is just par for the course when you're dealing with primarily online interactions? 

Orson Carter said

tandi said

Anything is possible, though I would imagine that there are a few law enforcement departments on here investigating things too, so we should be safe from the badies 👍

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I hope I (or this thread) didn't cause alarm. 

Yes - there are a few iffy characters around. And, yes - there are occasions when things do not go as one would have liked. But in my experience - and also by listening to others - I'm confident that the overwhelming majority of people on here are honest and ethical, and that the overwhelming majority of shoots go well. 

  

  

For me personally it's worrying but I'd prefer to know rather than be in the dark about what could potentially happen. Though it does sound like it happens more away from Purpleport which is a good thing.

ADWsPhotos said

tandi An example. There have been a few threads which explain there are sites where members actively try to ‘collect’ images of specific ‘people’. I say people as the subjects may or nay not be models.

Why do so? Simply perverse, perverted human nature I guess. For example, a fair few models begin shooting all sorts of levels, then later decide they don’t want, say, nude images around of them any more. So they stop modelling nude, and perhaps they try to get stuff removed by cooperative photographers- I’ve personally removed stuff on this basis a number of times. I’ve known several of those to become targets for these ‘collectors’ who apparently get a kick from getting such material. One way the collector might try to do so could be to set up fake accounts pretending to be the target, and approach those who have shot with said target. I’ve had numerous approaches by who I assume are said collectors asking for sets of images of model X, often offering to pay.

As mentioned above, thankfully this isn’t the norm. But nor are such shenanigans rare.

If someone offers to pay for photos of a shoot and the photographer owns the copyright and there was no restriction in the original contract or agreement, he/she could sell them under license so that would be a legal transaction, why someone would want those images is no ones guess, but I would imagine that the photographer would use a restrictive usage license to protect further sales of his/her images.

It's the obtaining pics by pretending to be someone else which I struggle to understand, they obviously don't know that could potentially be "fraud by false representation".

Mikey Mongol said

I've definitely had several instances over the years -- not on this site, but on other modeling sites -- of deeply questionable interactions with alleged models where shoots never materialized, and a couple where I was fairly certain it was the model's partner/"manager" I was communicating with and not the model proper. I think a certain level of catfishing is just par for the course when you're dealing with primarily online interactions? 

"Shoots that never materialised"

That may not be a fake account. I'm sure when new models get to Purpleport, they are apprehensive but really looking forward to trying modelling. When I got here all I wanted to do was TFP (free) model for other photographers rather than just my husband all the time, but then I learnt on Purpleport that TFP was only for me, the photographer owns the copyright and unless there is a contract/agreement the photographer could do anything with them. 

I was so concerned I had a contract written for TFP shoots. The first time I sent the contract it was so off putting the photographer declined the shoot, even though I had done a test shoot previously with him on the understanding that the pics had zero publication/display or online storage rights, which was agreed to.

I've had to reconsider shooting with anyone else because not many models use contract agreements. At 50 years old my sole photography/modelling ambition is to get an FPI ;-)

So if the model is a newbie or oldie, I would imagine that things change, they could be going to a level they are not comfortable with, the photographers portfolio photographs are not great but it's a compromise to get shooting, nerves get the better of you, concerns over where the images will end up who will see them and if personal or work relationship could be damaged because of it.

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