Models' fees
indemnity said, 1704729886
JPea said
The bankruptcy of British Councils is more down to mismanagement than anything else.
Can't find the report but in the papers in the last week.
This is not to say there is sufficient money.
There never is.
It's a mixture of mismanagement, incompetence lack of people being held accountable for their actions, plus a number of other flaws, or at least that is how it appears to me. They'd lose money running a bring and buy sale.
The Ghost said, 1704730054
FiL said
Sandra Blu said
Orson Carter I agree with you BUT your logic fails when sites for hobbyists in US and EU models are charging double and triple, why?
The markets aren't comparable, largely due to culture.
Allesandro B said
Sandra Blu said
Orson Carter I agree with you BUT your logic fails when sites for hobbyists in US and EU models are charging double and triple, why?
Completely different markets, smaller pool of models and the demographic of the photographer is different (probably because the rates are that much higher). The market in Europe is worse than here if the last European model I shot with is correct, which is why some are regularly touring here.
I'm not sure the pool of models is smaller (easy for a pretty eastern european girl to set herself up as a model anywhere in the EU) or that rates are necessarily higher for the same levels but the levels expected of a 'nude model' are almost always higher on the continent.
Sunrise Photo said, 1704730427
Huw said
Sandra Blu said
Orson Carter I agree with you BUT your logic fails when sites for hobbyists in US and EU models are charging double and triple, why?
Because Britain is a poor country.Standard of living isn't nearly as high (outside London).
"Britain’s GDP per head, which took seven years to recover to the level it was at in 2008, has risen steadily since 2015, but only left the UK 30th in the World Bank’s global rankings."
2014:
High GDP does not equal high standard of living.
GDSandy Photography said, 1704730531
The Ghost of Prancy McPrettykins said
FiL said
Sandra Blu said
Orson Carter I agree with you BUT your logic fails when sites for hobbyists in US and EU models are charging double and triple, why?
The markets aren't comparable, largely due to culture.Allesandro B said
Sandra Blu said
Orson Carter I agree with you BUT your logic fails when sites for hobbyists in US and EU models are charging double and triple, why?
Completely different markets, smaller pool of models and the demographic of the photographer is different (probably because the rates are that much higher). The market in Europe is worse than here if the last European model I shot with is correct, which is why some are regularly touring here.I'm not sure the pool of models is smaller (easy for a pretty eastern european girl to set herself up as a model anywhere in the EU) or that rates are necessarily higher for the same levels but the levels expected of a 'nude model' are almost always higher on the continent.
I will put my head into the Lion's mouth here but I mean no disrespect.
While beauty is certainly in the eye of the beholder, the quality of the European models in the market is on average higher than the quality of the UK market. That is not to say that there are not models on here in the UK who are equal and better (in my opinion) than their European sisters.
There are a lot of factors at play here. The UK market tends to be larger and more inclusive (in the little experience that I have).
Huw said, 1704730886
Sunrise Photo said
Huw said
Sandra Blu said
Orson Carter I agree with you BUT your logic fails when sites for hobbyists in US and EU models are charging double and triple, why?
Because Britain is a poor country.Standard of living isn't nearly as high (outside London).
"Britain’s GDP per head, which took seven years to recover to the level it was at in 2008, has risen steadily since 2015, but only left the UK 30th in the World Bank’s global rankings."
2014:
High GDP does not equal high standard of living.
Nice idea.
Last time I looked, energy costs were higher in the UK.
Food costs are fairly universal now.
Lenswonder said, 1704731233
The Ghost of Prancy McPrettykins 'but the levels expected of a 'nude model' are almost always higher on the continent.'
Would you mind adding more to this , do models on the continent work harder perhaps? Just so we can get a better picture of what you mean.
MGraphics said, 1704731378
I’m always wary of looking at the average wage of the UK and assuming this means all wages around the UK have risen. They haven’t in many sectors. The NHS staff are taking a year on year pay cut in contrast to inflation. And add to that a 10yr pay freeze it’s even worse.
So yes some private companies and MPs have had decent year on year wage increases above the level of inflation but the man on the street has only seen their money disappear.
Lauraanne (Photographer) said, 1704731380
The way I see it is that a models fees are relative to experience and a proven portfolio. £40 an hour for a well established experienced model with a good strong portfolio - yes I will pay. £40 for a model with no experience, less than a years modelling and no portfolio - no I wont!!!!!
But again it does come down to the age old dilemma of whom should get paid - the photographer or the model?????
JME Studios said, 1704731421
On the subject of international models.
I'm travelling to Stockholm, Sweden for a long weekend in March and have a casting out. Seems to be a few models that way, and anyone familiar with Scandinavia knows the Nordics speak better English than the Brits do.
I got just one response back, and the model charged me 100€ per hour, working to art nude. I simply don't have that sort of money. I'm struggling to justify £45ph for anything at the moment. To be honest, my membership was up for renewal last week and I very nearly let it lapse to a free profile because I'm not sure where the next shoot is coming from. Casting replies are almost non-existent in terms of suitable talent (indeed, I'm going to put one up this afternoon - let's see what happens!) That said, if Instagram is to be believed most models I follow don't seem stuck for work but - and this is nothing against the girls - they know how to play their Insta game very well.
Afrofilmviewer said, 1704732077
Lauraanne (Photographer) "The way I see it is that a models fees are relative to experience and a proven portfolio. £40 an hour for a well established experienced model with a good strong portfolio - yes I will pay. £40 for a model with no experience, less than a years modelling and no portfolio - no I wont!!!!!
But again it does come down to the age old dilemma of whom should get paid - the photographer or the model?????"
Mad it's taken ten pages before this point was mentioned so succulently.
Huw said, 1704732243
Lenswonder said
The Ghost of Prancy McPrettykins 'but the levels expected of a 'nude model' are almost always higher on the continent.'
Would you mind adding more to this , do models on the continent work harder perhaps? Just so we can get a better picture of what you mean.
Very big smiles.
Down below.
playwithlight said, 1704732306
indemnity said
JPea said
The bankruptcy of British Councils is more down to mismanagement than anything else.
Can't find the report but in the papers in the last week.
This is not to say there is sufficient money.
There never is.
It's a mixture of mismanagement, incompetence lack of people being held accountable for their actions, plus a number of other flaws, or at least that is how it appears to me. They'd lose money running a bring and buy sale.
As a Parish Councillor I must come in here and point a few things out. Firstly Council Tax increases are capped at 4.99% by central government, secondly the monies councils get back from central government after collecting business rates has been falling in real terms for over a decade. The few council that became bankrupt by mismanagement like Birmingham, Slough etc. is a minority. The vast majority of councils have seen central government shift responsibility to councils without the required increase in monies to pay for services such as adult care, SEN children, local roads etc.
This means even well run councils have had to cut services such as refuse collection, recreation facilities, parks & woodlands, schools, building control, planning the list goes on. Now there is very little if anything to cut so essential services are starting to be looked at there is simply no option.
If salary increases are running at 7.2% as they were in much of the private sector, if fuel bills to heat council facilities are 15-25% higher as they were I would like to see anyone do any better because frankly they can't whilst Council Tax is capped at 4.99%.
Stu H said, 1704732968
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But again it does come down to the age old dilemma of whom should get paid - the photographer or the model?????"
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Why should a model pay me so I can continue my hobby?
If I played golf (I dont), or used a gym (I dont) I would have to pay membership fees and usage feed... so why shouldn't a model be compensated for their time?
Stu H said, 1704733179
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If salary increases are running at 7.2% as they were in much of the private sector,...
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I must be in the wrong industry then as my private sector pay rises have only been around 1% for the last 15 years.
playwithlight said, 1704733458
Stu H said
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If salary increases are running at 7.2% as they were in much of the private sector,...
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I must be in the wrong industry then as my private sector pay rises have only been around 1% for the last 15 years.
Some have it as high as 7.8% for the full year. It's the highest rate in a decade.