Banning AI art on PP

HorrifyMeUK said

Jerome Razoir said

Let’s face it, modern art has been making millions out of suckers by removing the crafts and skills that artists once had. Removing the effort to manage the craft hasn’t concentrated the mind to a better or more inspired semiotic - it’s given us garbage like the unmade bed, the jar of piss, tins of shit, used tampons nailed to bits of wood, a banana sellotaped to a wall, a pile of bricks, and other such bullshit art. AI art has absolutely nowhere good it can go. It’s just going to deepen an already wretched abyss in the art world.

Modern art and AI art are two entirely different trend lines.

Yeah, modern art gave us a banana taped to a wall. It also gave us Henry Moore, Barbara Hepworth, Ben Nicholson, Antony Gormley and David Hockney.

AI art isn't on the same turf; it is at this point the business of generating graphics.

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Unfocussed Mike said

HorrifyMeUK said

Jerome Razoir said

Let’s face it, modern art has been making millions out of suckers by removing the crafts and skills that artists once had. Removing the effort to manage the craft hasn’t concentrated the mind to a better or more inspired semiotic - it’s given us garbage like the unmade bed, the jar of piss, tins of shit, used tampons nailed to bits of wood, a banana sellotaped to a wall, a pile of bricks, and other such bullshit art. AI art has absolutely nowhere good it can go. It’s just going to deepen an already wretched abyss in the art world.

Modern art and AI art are two entirely different trend lines.

Yeah, modern art gave us a banana taped to a wall. It also gave us Henry Moore, Barbara Hepworth, Ben Nicholson, Antony Gormley and David Hockney.

AI art isn't on the same turf; it is at this point the business of generating graphics.

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I’m sure you can see my point, removing the skill or craft results in shit art. I know there are still awesome artists around.

Look at this another way non AI images will be easy to spot, badly lit, orange skin, crap composure, wonky, dirty studio floors, blurred skin, crap scattered around the room, knickers on the radiator, IG filters, who wants to lose all that character. 😉

indemnity said

Look at this another way non AI images will be easy to spot, badly lit, orange skin, crap composure, wonky, dirty studio floors, blurred skin, crap scattered around the room, knickers on the radiator, IG filters, who wants to lose all that character. 😉

Hey. That’s my best work you’re describing. 

HorrifyMeUK said

indemnity said

Look at this another way non AI images will be easy to spot, badly lit, orange skin, crap composure, wonky, dirty studio floors, blurred skin, crap scattered around the room, knickers on the radiator, IG filters, who wants to lose all that character. 😉

Hey. That’s my best work you’re describing. 

Imagine typing in all those requirements, they haven't created software good enough or built a computer big enough to create those images, it's a skill many of us have taken years to hone by repeating the same mistakes. I'm not going to be robbed just yet.

If the core of PP is to connect photographers & models & MUA then why fill it up with stuff that is an algorithm's remix of other stuff? If focus on the core need was all PP did, it would be a catalogue of model "polaroids" and a half dozen editorial portraits - and that would be all we need.

Winning a completion, or getting and FPI is energy spent on a vanity project for me. I never put any exhibition quality final work here - it doesn't help me connect. The art & mass image market is so consolidated, and the gatekeepers so few, it makes little sense to put energy into sharing with forum members my creative ideas.  

If I am finding creative inspiration form AI, I am really taking it from an amalgam of the average persons search data. That's a pretty grim bucket of ideas. (It will probably win a lot of PP competitions mind - there is not the training of a Sotherbey's appraiser in the judging panel)

Lucky for us there is some extra creativity in the PP team, and we get stuff like these forum posts to debate the nature of commercial art in. 

I am really confused by this term AI generated work. It potentially could be read and misinterpreted as though somebody can't even use digital software to enhance an image. Then what would be the point in having a RAW image and be able to work with that in a editing suite? As I the photographer did not create the editing suite aren't I relying on AI related software?

ALL of the pieces of digital art that I have created as well have been made using editing suites, but haven't relied on AI as I would feel ashamed of presenting that work.

Would it also mean that my artwork would be banned from the site in future?

What is the definition and boundaries of AI and more importantly where does someone draw that fine line?

The way I see AI defined as is that it is a brain working for you, to create something you never thought of to begin with instead of using your own intelligence.

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Edited by Parkstone Photography

indemnity You need to get up to date. One of those images recently won a PP competition and was generated with a single sentance.

Parkstone Photography said

I am really confused by this term AI generated work. It potentially could be read and misinterpreted as though somebody can't even use digital software to enhance an image. Then what would be the point in having a RAW image and be able to work with that in a editing suite? As I the photographer did not create the editing suite aren't I relying on AI related software?

ALL of the pieces of digital art that I have created as well have been made using editing suites, but haven't relied on AI as I would feel ashamed of presenting that work.

Would it also mean that my artwork would be banned from the site in future?

What is the definition and boundaries of AI and more importantly where does someone draw that fine line?

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The line is drawn pretty clearly in the blog post.

Your work is wholly safe though I imagine over time more people will ask you about this!

Great, the main reason this site was created was to help photographers, models and studios network, communicate and work together in a safe place. This is not a place or exhibiting work unless its to help with the above. The use of digital work to create images is fine and some of it is amazing but on this site its a place to advertise your work to hopefully get to work with some amazing people.  If you create images with no model or there is one but you choose to keep their identity private (a growing thing) then thats not what here is about.

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What's next???? Will we ban digital images all together and just turn PP into a forum and keep all digital images off of the site?

Will we have to declare what digital processes we use to create an image?

Personally I see this is a way of persecuting digital artists as there is so much room now for reporting images and pushing that off of the site in favour of photography, that is unedited, straight out the camera.

Now I see why so many digital artists don't join community websites as they don't want their work scrutinised and banned.

indemnity said

Look at this another way non AI images will be easy to spot, badly lit, orange skin, crap composure, wonky, dirty studio floors, blurred skin, crap scattered around the room, knickers on the radiator, IG filters, who wants to lose all that character. 😉

Sounds like the perfect casting call:

"Model with orange skin required for badly lit, crap composed series of photographs, themed around wonky, dirty studio with crap scattered all around the room. Model must provide suitable knickers for hanging on radiators within shot. Further character will be added post-production, with frequency separation editing being applied to decompose the model's skin and replace it with the texture of waxed orange peel. Photographer to supply a headdress full of crap, to make the photos more interesting".

Theimagebear said

Great, the main reason this site was created was to help photographers, models and studios network, communicate and work together in a safe place. This is not a place or exhibiting work unless its to help with the above. The use of digital work to create images is fine and some of it is amazing but on this site its a place to advertise your work to hopefully get to work with some amazing people.  If you create images with no model or there is one but you choose to keep their identity private (a growing thing) then thats not what here is about.

 

Excellent point.

Unfocussed Mike In all honesty, I genuinely hope it is and that I am.

Parkstone Photography said

I am really confused by this term AI generated work. It potentially could be read and misinterpreted as though somebody can't even use digital software to enhance an image. Then what would be the point in having a RAW image and be able to work with that in a editing suite? As I the photographer did not create the editing suite aren't I relying on AI related software?

ALL of the pieces of digital art that I have created as well have been made using editing suites, but haven't relied on AI as I would feel ashamed of presenting that work.

Would it also mean that my artwork would be banned from the site in future?

What is the definition and boundaries of AI and more importantly where does someone draw that fine line?

The way I see AI defined as is that it is a brain working for you, to create something you never thought of to begin with instead of using your own intelligence.

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Edited by Parkstone Photography

Here's the line, according to the image upload guidelines.

Uploading images generated using services (such as Midjourney/DALL-E/Craiyon/Stable Diffusion/etc.), where you type a phrase or description of the desired image and a machine algorithm (often called A.I) creates an image for you, is banned from PurplePort.

You can use such images for backgrounds in the same way that commercial background images or textures might be used.

Hope this clears things up for you.