Banning AI art on PP

HorrifyMeUK said

Westend Portfolios said

lets ban photoshopping while we are at it..

Why? 

isnt it kind of the same.. all you have is a photo of a model.then you can add objects, change backgrounds and completely change the original photo..and end up with something you never took a photofraph off.. 

ive never used photoshop..because i dont know how to ..and wont be learning

Westend Portfolios No it's not the same kind of thing. It's Intelligence (yours) Vs AI (computer creation without intent of thought)

There's nothing stopping people using editing suites..... If you don't want to use PS, or any other editing suite, then don't. But don't shoot down PS users, because they do...

I'm not convinced the issue is as black an white as some folks seem to think - or it certainly won't be soon. What happens when one's editing suite starts using AI plug-ins?

OK imagine it's 2025. I take a crap image of some scantily-clad lass in her crap-everywhere bedroom, using my equally crappy mobile. I download it onto my PC and open it in GIMP. I open the latest GMIC plug-in. Select 'Waikiki Beach' from the location drop-down. Select "Expensive red bikini" from the clothing pick-list. Select "Happy" from the "Mood" pick-list.

Having glanced at the preview, I make sure I tick the "Create photo realistic tan-lines", "Randomise skin texture" and "Add natural blemishes" tick-boxes. And of course, select the "Random expensive camera" and "Pretend I know what settings to use" options from the "Fake EXIF" pick lists. ;-)

Then I click the "Make her look great" button...

Allowed or not?

Deviant art can never be trusted...

And please don't objectify robots...

waist.it said

I'm not convinced the issue is as black an white as some folks seem to think - or it certainly won't be soon. What happens when one's editing suite starts using AI plug-ins?

OK imagine it's 2025. I take a crap image of some scantily-clad lass in her crap-everywhere bedroom, using my equally crappy mobile. I download it onto my PC and open it in GIMP. I open the latest GMIC plug-in. Select 'Waikiki Beach' from the location drop-down. Select "Expensive red bikini" from the clothing pick-list. Select "Happy" from the "Mood" pick-list.

Having glanced at the preview, I make sure I tick the "Create photo realistic tan-lines", "Randomise skin texture" and "Add natural blemishes" tick-boxes. And of course, select the "Random expensive camera" and "Pretend I know what settings to use" options from the "Fake EXIF" pick lists. ;-)

Then I click the "Make her look great" button...

Allowed or not?

Don't worry, the following algorithm would be used to detect and decide its validity before the image is accepted for upload to the site..

A R G E N T U M said

waist.it said

I'm not convinced the issue is as black an white as some folks seem to think - or it certainly won't be soon. What happens when one's editing suite starts using AI plug-ins?

OK imagine it's 2025. I take a crap image of some scantily-clad lass in her crap-everywhere bedroom, using my equally crappy mobile. I download it onto my PC and open it in GIMP. I open the latest GMIC plug-in. Select 'Waikiki Beach' from the location drop-down. Select "Expensive red bikini" from the clothing pick-list. Select "Happy" from the "Mood" pick-list.

Having glanced at the preview, I make sure I tick the "Create photo realistic tan-lines", "Randomise skin texture" and "Add natural blemishes" tick-boxes. And of course, select the "Random expensive camera" and "Pretend I know what settings to use" options from the "Fake EXIF" pick lists. ;-)

Then I click the "Make her look great" button...

Allowed or not?

Don't worry, the following algorithm would be used to detect and decide its validity before the image is accepted for upload to the site..

Ah yes, that should sort it! lol ;-)

waist.it said

I'm not convinced the issue is as black an white as some folks seem to think - or it certainly won't be soon. What happens when one's editing suite starts using AI plug-ins?

OK imagine it's 2025. I take a crap image of some scantily-clad lass in her crap-everywhere bedroom, using my equally crappy mobile. I download it onto my PC and open it in GIMP. I open the latest GMIC plug-in. Select 'Waikiki Beach' from the location drop-down. Select "Expensive red bikini" from the clothing pick-list. Select "Happy" from the "Mood" pick-list.

Having glanced at the preview, I make sure I tick the "Create photo realistic tan-lines", "Randomise skin texture" and "Add natural blemishes" tick-boxes. And of course, select the "Random expensive camera" and "Pretend I know what settings to use" options from the "Fake EXIF" pick lists. ;-)

Then I click the "Make her look great" button...

Allowed or not?

It's more likely to be 2023 for Photoshop users given the development of neural filters ;)

Luca Brasi said

waist.it said

I'm not convinced the issue is as black an white as some folks seem to think - or it certainly won't be soon. What happens when one's editing suite starts using AI plug-ins?

OK imagine it's 2025. I take a crap image of some scantily-clad lass in her crap-everywhere bedroom, using my equally crappy mobile. I download it onto my PC and open it in GIMP. I open the latest GMIC plug-in. Select 'Waikiki Beach' from the location drop-down. Select "Expensive red bikini" from the clothing pick-list. Select "Happy" from the "Mood" pick-list.

Having glanced at the preview, I make sure I tick the "Create photo realistic tan-lines", "Randomise skin texture" and "Add natural blemishes" tick-boxes. And of course, select the "Random expensive camera" and "Pretend I know what settings to use" options from the "Fake EXIF" pick lists. ;-)

Then I click the "Make her look great" button...

Allowed or not?

It's more likely to be 2023 for Photoshop users given the development of neural filters ;)

"I take a crap image of some scantily-clad lass in her crap-everywhere bedroom,...."

But isn't that the point? At least you bothered to pitch-up and take the said crappy picture.. 

Westend Portfolios said

HorrifyMeUK said

Westend Portfolios said

lets ban photoshopping while we are at it..

Why? 

isnt it kind of the same.. all you have is a photo of a model.then you can add objects, change backgrounds and completely change the original photo..and end up with something you never took a photofraph off.. 

ive never used photoshop..because i dont know how to ..and wont be learning

Absolute nonsense. The point here is where the creativity comes from. This isn’t about pure photography vs artificial images, it’s about whether the creative process was done by a human or computer. Even the most heavily Photoshopped images have still had a lot of skill, creative judgement and human involvement. AI art has NO human involvement in the creative process whatsoever.

Should a user populated video upload community like YouTube ban Ai generated videos?

Like this one for example;

https://youtu.be/Cq56o0YH3mE

This video did not spontaneously emerge.

It required human input, making the Ai output effectively just the result of another creative tool.

Your thoughts on the matter would make for an interesting comparitive to this debate on PP’s ban on Ai generated still imagery.

Generative AI works exactly like some photographers......make hundreds (or tens of thousands) of images, and hope that you finally end up with a good enough one?

"Machine-Gunners" might take a long hard look in the mirror, or perhaps we should only accept images shot on film?

:-)

....Discuss.

These AIs train on a very large data set from across the 'net, but what would happen if in the future those AIs were available to individuals such that you could train them purely on your own images? 

Bob @ Fatbloke

I’ll discuss yours by continuing my comparitive with video…

If the standard becomes nothing artificial, no post production and no machine gunning then the Oscar’s should reject any movie with CGI and directors and actors should only be allowed one take for each scene.

Would the likes of Kubrick and Marvel have survived under such draconian constraints on creativity?

Westend Portfolios said

HorrifyMeUK said

Westend Portfolios said

lets ban photoshopping while we are at it..

Why? 

isnt it kind of the same.. all you have is a photo of a model.then you can add objects, change backgrounds and completely change the original photo..and end up with something you never took a photofraph off.. 

ive never used photoshop..because i dont know how to ..and wont be learning

Its comments like this that make me realize that there are a lot of people that just do not understand photography. If they want to ban photoshop, let's also ban the dark room processes that go on. There is no difference between what goes on, or went on, in a dark room and what photoshop does. Okay, photoshop makes it easier and saves you from working in a hot chemical full room. But the basic processes are the same. Oh, and whilst we are at it, let's ban portraits of kings and queens as they are and all were manipulated. Henry VIII definitely did not look like he did in the paintings of him. Going down this road, perhaps we should ban imagery all together because all imagery is manipulated. An awful lot is done in the camera itself. Whilst we are at it, don't even think that what you see with your eye is the same as what I see with mine. The human brain processes what information it gets through the eye and creates an image. So on that point to those that say photoshop shop should be banned because it manipulates images should ban their own brains as they manipulate images as well.