Banning AI art on PP

HorrifyMeUK said

... among serious artists, creatives, models, photographers or other “real” people of skill and craft.

I think you have me confused with somebody else. :-) 

In other news: King bans rising tide. :-)

I have been a bit persnickety on this topic for a few days (I am apparently exceptionally irritable at the moment) but I have not been able to get away from the idea that a ban on fully-AI-generated images is an important baseline to maintain trust in this particular community.

So I really, really applaud this.

Over time we're all going to have to figure out where to draw the line with a technology that could be useful when applied with integrity, and it's going to creep into our editing toolsets as it is added to applications.

I'm sure it's not going to be easy for PP admin or members to detect really deceptive uses of this technology, but the baseline is we have to know that we should, if we're to avoid runaway damage to a trust culture that is ours to lose.

So well done again on this.

Edited by Unfocussed Mike

Some AI generated art is so good you couldn't tell so banning might be difficult to enforce

Good decision.

Rebecca Saray is an amazing Spanish photographer/artist she seems to have embraced it

https://www.behance.net/gallery/152121321/The-transit-of-the-soul?tracking_source=digest_follow&trackingid=T32PLY3L&mv=email

https://www.behance.net/rebecasaray?trackingid=T32PLY3L&mv=email

Unfocussed Mike said

I have been a bit persnickety on this topic for a few days (I am apparently exceptionally irritable at the moment) but I have not been able to get away from the idea that a ban on fully-AI-generated images is an important baseline to maintain trust in this particular community.

So I really, really applaud this.

Over time we're all going to have to figure out where to draw the line with a technology that could be useful when applied with integrity, and it's going to creep into our editing toolsets as it is added to applications.

I'm sure it's not going to be easy for PP admin or members to detect really deceptive uses of this technology, but the baseline is we have to know that we should, if we're to avoid runaway damage to a trust culture that is ours to lose.

So well done again on this.

Edited by Unfocussed Mike

You're right of course. However, the practical implementation of such a ban is likely to be, shall we say, somewhat complicated.

HorrifyMeUK said

Can I just say well done to Purple Port for deciding to ban AI generated “art” on this platform. Best thing ever. I’m sure by now you know I utterly detest this new vulgar method of lazy skill-free creation and it has no place among serious artists, creatives, models, photographers or other “real” people of skill and craft. It’s a tool for the talentless and nothing more. Good luck, goodbye and good riddance to it, at least on PP.

And thank you PP for doing the sensible thing. 

Agree in principle (and very interesting to know what would have happened if there hadn't been the confession thread)

Is this that start of a new draconian order though. Looking through the topics, is "slightly out of focus" "not shot on Nikon" next to go ;-)

waist.it said

In other news: King bans rising tide. :-)

It's more like a partial lockdown, I think!

That is, we're all going to have to figure out how to live with it eventually, but if we don't establish some ground rules, we're not going to keep the social structure we have while we adjust to a new reality.

photofervor I think it's more work that is literally someone typing in a few words and an algorithm spits out an image.

I think they are allowing work to be partly created such as in backgrounds etc. They will ask for the original image for anything that gets reported. So if it truly is a creation, rather than the user having nothing to do with the image, it should be clear with the evidence produced.

Edited by Holly Alexander

I applaud the ban but the grey areas creep ever further. Is it OK to use a clone tool to change a portion of an image? Yes, OK, what about a smart healing tool that uses context awareness? Yes, OK - so computer generated portions are fine. What about replacement of a sky with an AI editor like Luminar? Upscaling and adding detail with Topaz AI? AI relighting of a model with Portrait Pro? Still OK ...??   etc.  

waist.it said

You're right of course. However, the practical implementation of such a ban is likely to be, shall we say, somewhat complicated.

Almost impossible, yes.

Probably still worth trying.

Gareth Oakey Photography if anything gets reported they will ask for the original image , so should be able to tell if it's a creation or if there's no original imagery then it's obvious nothing was used besides typing in a bunch of words

Gareth Oakey Photography said

I applaud the ban but the grey areas creep ever further. Is it OK to use a clone tool to change a portion of an image? Yes, OK, what about a smart healing tool that uses context awareness? Yes, OK - so computer generated portions are fine. What about replacement of a sky with an AI editor like Luminar? Upscaling and adding detail with Topaz AI? AI relighting of a model with Portrait Pro? Still OK ...??   etc.  

The blog post makes this amazingly clear.

"There is no problem using such images for backgrounds in the same way that commercial background images or textures might be used."

If PP is fine with midjourney images in backgrounds (which is a prominent use of a generated image), they are fine with all the things you're talking about. There's no slippery slope.

I really applaud the care with which the sentence I quoted was written, by the way. It's an effective yardstick.

Edited by Unfocussed Mike

THX1138 said

Some AI generated art is so good you couldn't tell so banning might be difficult to enforce

That's another whole kettle of fish I've been quite confused in the whole debate though. Generally speaking, from what I've seen so far, it just...isn't? All looks very machine generated.
(If you open up Photoshop, there's a painting of Morfydd Clark on the splash to promote the LOTR show and while I think that's done by someone, all AI photos look like that to me. Cartoony. Fake.)

It looks smooth, detailed etc, but it's still a million miles away from an actual photo. The image that kicked this all off got away with it because it was a silhouette.