CCTV rules.

Holly Alexander I have never filmed a photoshoot in my life. I don't even own a GoPro.

The thread is about studios recording shoots and how we would feel about it.

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If I were to be shooting Nude in the Studio and I walked in and saw CCTV, I would walk back out. 

Would definitely not be comfortable with that.

Fashion yes, not a problem.. But Nude.. Definitely Not.

Holly Alexander said

K.M. it's a little creepy how obsessed you are with your go pro and catching sneaky shots tbh.... Why would that even be a thing? Why would a photographer ask to record that?

For the same reason celebrity crotch shots are plastered all over the internet?

K.M. okay chanhe that to 'why would a DECENT photographer ask to record that' :) I don't work with creeps who are after crotch shots. In my 11 years modelling I have met mostly lovely, respectable photographers. Not saying creeps arn't out there, but I am picky with who I work with.

I was trying to organise a shoot with a theme surrounding the intrusive and often derogatory way celebrities are depicted through media. There is an ugly side to photography and modern technology that detracts from the human experience.

With an art nude model changing with a photographer alone and the Limitation Act being void in sex acts, even within a year limit if a model signs a waiver might be wise. CCTV behind a modesty panel has proven a three year crime

 A lot of sensible stuff on here.

So lets open it u8p a bit.

How would a photographer feel if his model asked to put a stand-alone video camera off-set so that the shoot is recorded for her safety?

Body worn camera have reduced the number of assaults on police. No one says it but they have probably reduced bad behaviour by some police officers.

If I am photographing a model with little or no clothing and I fancy touching her up. I sure as hell am not going to if I know she has a video of me doing it.

Jerome Razoir I wouldn't mind provided they signed something stating exactly how the media would be used and delete it as they leave unmolested.

It also depends where we are because I wouldn't want someone wandering around my home recording everything in sight (family photos etc).

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Indeed. Sadly, no matter how much we try (and I believe that most of us DO try) to keep everyone safe with rules and guidelines; the need for trust still over-rides everything.

Jerome Razoir said

 A lot of sensible stuff on here.

So lets open it u8p a bit.

How would a photographer feel if his model asked to put a stand-alone video camera off-set so that the shoot is recorded for her safety?

Body worn camera have reduced the number of assaults on police. No one says it but they have probably reduced bad behaviour by some police officers.

If I am photographing a model with little or no clothing and I fancy touching her up. I sure as hell am not going to if I know she has a video of me doing it.

Before I retired that would have been a deal killer for me for three reasons

1) it could have caused major problems with my job - and I work on the basis that any image or video taken may eventually come to light (they were aware of my hobby but did not want me publicly identified with it for practical reasons)
2) I am deeply opposed to the ever increasing invasions of privacy and unwarranted surveillance created by CCTV cameras and other recordings. To those who say "Why would you object if you don't do anything wrong" I say because what I believe in the right to privacy and I object to having mine invaded to no purpose - and it is to no purpose precisely because I don't do anything wrong.

3) I have more than 60 positive references on another site  and a few here. Anyone working with me is free to ask for an honest opinion from anyone I have worked with. If you feel you have to be recording me to ensure your safety then we should not be working together and such a suggestion would kill any rapport stone dead.

These days only 2) and 3) apply.

On the original point I would not work in any studio with CCTV cameras  covering the shooting areas - mainly for reason 2) but also because I have no knowledge of the use they would be put to.

Recording for an evidence chain has to be pretty bomb-proof, and it is very difficult for serious offences to come up with a system that can be potentially tampered with, that would meet the necessary requirements.

The issue for most people is "inappropriate viewing"........so would that be checking the recording, testing the cameras, voyeurism?

Joel Hicks (If I recall) did a bit of looking into the whole CCTV world in connection with studios, and my "other world" is not about voyeurs, more about security.

Cameras make people twitchy, even good people, it is just a human thing.

I think all studios should have CCTV in the main studio areas (not the changing room etc). It is for everyones protection - both photographers & models. CCTV is a lot more reliable & neutral witness than having a chaperone who is probably just on social media on their mobile & not actually watching what is going on. I have heard of numerous horror stories models who try to operate a scam where they try to blackmail the photographer by falsely claiming that they behaved inappropriately to try to get money out of the photographer. Having listened to some of the horror stories I certainly would not want to be alone in a studio with a model without the protection of CCTV. I don't understand some peoples paranoia over CCTV - if used correctly it is for everyones protection. It is also vital for insurance cover to prevent false claims like someone falsely claiming that they got injured. It is a sad fact but we all have to take precautions against people that we work with but the photographers that I mentioned above have learned the lesson the hard way & now refuse to work with a model unless there is CCTV. It would be great if we could trust everyone to behave professionally that we work with but plenty of models & photographers will give you examples to the contrary. I have never had a problem but I would still rather play safe than end up having to pay a fortune to a solicitor to defend a malicious claim against me. £300 for a CCTV system is a small price to pay for peace of mind!

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Andy Oliver said

I think all studios should have CCTV in the main studio areas (not the changing room etc). It is for everyones protection - both photographers & models. CCTV is a lot more reliable & neutral witness than having a chaperone who is probably just on social media on their mobile & not actually watching what is going on. I have heard of numerous horror stories models who try to operate a scam where they try to blackmail the photographer by falsely claiming that they behaved inappropriately to try to get money out of the photographer. Having listened to some of the horror stories I certainly would not want to be alone in a studio with a model without the protection of CCTV. I don't understand some peoples paranoia over CCTV - if used correctly it is for everyones protection. It is also vital for insurance cover to prevent false claims like someone falsely claiming that they got injured. It is a sad fact but we all have to take precautions against people that we work with but the photographers that I mentioned above have learned the lesson the hard way & now refuse to work with a model unless there is CCTV. It would be great if we could trust everyone to behave professionally that we work with but plenty of models & photographers will give you examples to the contrary. I have never had a problem but I would still rather play safe than end up having to pay a fortune to a solicitor to defend a malicious claim against me. £300 for a CCTV system is a small price to pay for peace of mind!

Edited by Andy Oliver

Were I a nude model with limited levels I wouldn’t be happy shooting at such a studio. Clothed - OK.