I'll ask again - Can we see those who don't vote?

FarmerSteve said

Orson Carter said

FarmerSteve said

ANDY00 so what happens if someone posts a better image than what I have voted for after I have cast my votes in order to enter?

 

Steve - apologies if I've misunderstood, but...

I don't think that could happen, could it? Voting doesn't start until after the competition has closed, and by that time one can't enter. 

Or have I got that wrong?  

I was referring to the proposed "you can't enter until you vote" suggestion. 

ANDY00 said

FarmerSteve said

ANDY00 no, you currently get a whole day after entries close in order to choose your favourites. So today I can vote for the Circles competition, but I can't enter & I can enter the Walk the Walk competition, but can't vote until tomorrow after the entries close although I can peruse the entries...

Yes, but essentially the issue here as i understand it is that people are entering but failing to vote, which disqualifies them. If they had to vote first, then they wouldn't be disqualified, thus balancing the issue. Again, just my thoughts.

I think there are a few ways it could actually be fixed. I've just suggested a couple, but they're only suggestions—thoughts in the wind that might inspire the coders working on the issue.

Edited by ANDY00

But if you can't enter until you vote, you don't get to choose your votes from the complete list of entries. A far simpler suggestion would be to block serial offenders - after adequate warnings. Then again, the competition is supposed to just be a bit of fun...

Again, it ultimately comes down to people submitting their entries earlier. If you’re waiting until the final entries, that’s likely contributing to why people forget or don’t bother to vote, and those last entries are only going to be seen by a smaller number of people anyway, giving them little hope of winning. Statistically, the earlier entries have the best chance—that’s just a fact. The more time your image is up, the more eyes it gets on it, and the better your chances.

I don't do comps, and not looked at all the rules, however, the way to solve any problem is to work out why it's happening in the first place. What is stopping others voting, either remove or relax conditions/terms or vary them, another option is to remove participation. How difficult can it be?

It doesn't matter how long your image is up - there is only a 24 hour period open for voting & that doesn't start until entries have closed. I don't bother looking at the other entries until voting opens because there's no point.

FarmerSteve said

It doesn't matter how long your image is up - there is only a 24 hour period open for voting & that doesn't start until entries have closed. I don't bother looking at the other entries until voting opens because there's no point.

but others do, as someone already pointed out they don't take part but do look and do vote, you are not the only person, there are many

You can't vote until entries have closed - that is sensible so that people voting get to see all the entries, and people can't enter after voting has started. changing that and then insisting that people vote before they enter strikes me as odd - even if some convoluted system was put in place for the first 5 entries - entry 6 would only have 5 to choose from (and hence vote for them all), only the last entry would get to vote on all submitted images. Am I missing something or is this just unworkable or at best significantly worse than the current position?

People get reminders to vote - but I am sure I have probably missed one - perhaps reinforcing with a sin bin for serial offenders (fail to vote for three comps that you have submitted entries into I a six month period would disallow you for 6 months?), but it wouldn't surprise me if it wasn't a core set of people that failed to vote, but different people missing the occasional one. 

My preference would simply be to remove the requirement to vote.

Edited by JonC

Given that the minimum someone has to do for their entry to be valid is to vote for their own entry and nothing else, I don't imagine anything is going to change behaviour. Some people forget to vote. Some people get distracted by real life. Some people don't care as they just want people to see their photo.

I'm not against the idea of showing how many votes disqualified entries received, but I don't see it solving a serious problem, and as such I'm not sure the development effort is justified.

ANDY00 you seem to be missing the point that you can't vote until competition entry is closed... thus when you go to vote you get to see ALL the ENTRIES & you get the chance to vote for any of them.  Yes, other people may peruse the entries before voting opens, but when they go to vote they are presented with all the entries and so if they see one that is better than what they had intended voting for they can vote for it...

FarmerSteve said

ANDY00 you seem to be missing the point that you can't vote until competition entry is closed... thus when you go to vote you get to see ALL the ENTRIES & you get the chance to vote for any of them.  Yes, other people may peruse the entries before voting opens, but when they go to vote they are presented with all the entries and so if they see one that is better than what they had intended voting for they can vote for it...

I get that, but the issue is people aren't bothering to vote. anyway as i said just couple ideas. sure others will also have better ones :-)

Mick Wells said

Given that the minimum someone has to do for their entry to be valid is to vote for their own entry and nothing else, I don't imagine anything is going to change behaviour. Some people forget to vote. Some people get distracted by real life. Some people don't care as they just want people to see their photo.

I'm not against the idea of showing how many votes disqualified entries received, but I don't see it solving a serious problem, and as such I'm not sure the development effort is justified.

"Given that the minimum someone has to do for their entry to be valid is to vote for their own entry and nothing else" - It is my understanding that you need to cast all five of your votes to not be disqualified....

DM Photos said

Mick Wells said

Given that the minimum someone has to do for their entry to be valid is to vote for their own entry and nothing else, I don't imagine anything is going to change behaviour. Some people forget to vote. Some people get distracted by real life. Some people don't care as they just want people to see their photo.

I'm not against the idea of showing how many votes disqualified entries received, but I don't see it solving a serious problem, and as such I'm not sure the development effort is justified.

"Given that the minimum someone has to do for their entry to be valid is to vote for their own entry and nothing else" - It is my understanding that you need to cast all five of your votes to not be disqualified....

No, you don't

Life is too short. What is the point? How will that benefit anyone?

Mick Wells said

DM Photos said

Mick Wells said

Given that the minimum someone has to do for their entry to be valid is to vote for their own entry and nothing else, I don't imagine anything is going to change behaviour. Some people forget to vote. Some people get distracted by real life. Some people don't care as they just want people to see their photo.

I'm not against the idea of showing how many votes disqualified entries received, but I don't see it solving a serious problem, and as such I'm not sure the development effort is justified.

"Given that the minimum someone has to do for their entry to be valid is to vote for their own entry and nothing else" - It is my understanding that you need to cast all five of your votes to not be disqualified....

No, you don't

Apologies if I am wrong but from the rules -

"If you enter, you must vote. If you don't vote, you will not win no matter how many votes you get"

When I get the prompt to vote it says something like - "You entered the Circles comp but have not voted. Vote for 5 entries or you will be disqualified"

Perhaps someone who knows for sure can clarify this.

(I have already voted for today so cannot now see exact wording of the prompt on the front page, until tomorrow)

Edited by DM Photos

DM Photos Mick Wells is correct. You need to cast at least one vote.

Sensual Art said

DM Photos Mick Wells is correct. You need to cast at least one vote.

Well thanks and apologies. I have been wasting all this time voting for four other photos instead of just voting for myself....

Thanks for so many commenting on this thread.

Looking at yesterday stats "We had 148 entries but because they didn't vote 15 entries were automatically disqualified :-(
All together there were 877 votes."

As usual about 10% don't vote.  Typically the % who of people I vote for who don't vote is consistently 40%.   Odd.

This suggest 133 entrants voted and ~40 non entrants voted, based on average of 5 votes per voter.

I wonder how easy it would be remove the need to vote and see if the number of voters drop.  Perhaps have it so you can't win if you don't vote as an incentive?

If voters drops dramatically then add it back in again.

Or just show those disqualified entries at the bottom as I can't think its much of a code change and I'd know the buggers who are wasting my time :)