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AlanJay

By AlanJay, 1730802403

Return of deposits is an occasional topic!

I had an experience, on another site, where I had paid a model, who had a lot of positive references, a deposit.  (I know, I should have know better!)

We had agreed the shoot, date, time, location and fee, before she asked for the deposit.
The day after I had paid it, she messaged to say that she had 'miscalculated' and her fee would be £100 more than agreed.
I refused to agree to an increase and requested the return of my £40 deposit.  She refused, saying "I never return deposits" and blocked me. 

Fortunately I had obtained her real name and address before paying the deposit,  so I made a claim through the Online Civil Money Claims, (used to be small claims court).

The model did not respond to the court, so they made a judgement based on my evidence and in her absence, awarding me £40 return of deposit, 18p interest and £35 court costs.

Even at this point, I knew that I may never see that money.

3 weeks later, I received a copy of the letter the court sent to the model.
This included information  - that this was a CCJ and that would affect her ability to get credit in future.
It also advised that if she paid within 1 month she could have the CCJ entry marked as resolved.

2 hours later, the full amount was in my bank account.

The whole legal process took less than 8 weeks.

The things I take away from this:

Keep ALL communication onsite, whichever site that may be.

Understand the law and act within it.  (e.g. once you have agreed terms, fee, etc. you cannot change them unless the other party agree)

BEFORE you pay a deposit,  ensure you have the other person's real name and address.

Sensual Art said, 1730804423

Thank you for sharing!

Photowallah said, 1730804996

Bravo - well done.

indemnity said, 1730806705

It's good to get clear written evidence as in a more challenging situation and the defendant appears/responds a different outcome might result. Pleased it worked out for you, though there are some slippery folk out there, get details and terms patently clear in comms.

Theta Aeterna said, 1730808145

Well done! Thanks for sharing!

mltpw said, 1730808442

How did you get her address?

Gothic Image said, 1730808656

Hopefully she might have learned that "I never return deposits" isn't a good approach to doing business ...

Lightingman said, 1730809103

Good outcome, yes the threat of affecting credit rating is usually pretty potent and great that you stuck it out, £40, not a huge amount but the principal is! The ‘recalculation’  was a pretty s****y stunt to try and pull.

Wonder if they have a non-returned deposits savings account?

Allesandro B said, 1730809526

I was asked for a deposit a couple of weeks ago, I don't pay them as a rule and told the model, she replied saying that she doesn't accept bookings on a verbal basis so I replied and said if she provided me with an invoice with her full name and address and could take payment via something like paypal business then I would consider it,  funnily enough that was something she wasn't able to do...what's good for the goose obviously wasn't good for the gander!

AlanJay said, 1730811169

mltpw said

How did you get her address?


The shoot was to be at her home.

mightywhite said, 1730812421

AlanJay said

mltpw said

How did you get her address?


The shoot was to be at her home.


That was fortunate. I would have thought though, with the shoot being at her her home, the model would be unlikely to muck you about so you'd be pretty safe paying a deposit (she doesn't know you and you may have been the type to send round your big brother to 'sort her out'). Guess she has done this before though without anybody taking it further.

But well done for following it through. Hopefully taught her a valuable lesson.

But another though springs to mind; how did you get her real name (and did you know if it was genuine?) It's all very well people asking for an invoice with the model's name and address before paying a deposit, but (unless the shoot is at the model's home) you have no way of knowing if either is genuine. You'd need a copy of their ID and a recent utility bill to back it up which all starts to get a bit complicated (and unlikely they'd agree!)

Edited by mightywhite

Stu H said, 1730813503

Well done.

There are some on here that will bemoan you for doing this; they'll see £40 a trivial amount and not worth the trouble.

But ...

Up until you came along, scamming customers may have been a lucrative, no effort business for them ... so absolutely well done.

AlanJay said, 1730814356

mightywhite said

AlanJay said

mltpw said

How did you get her address?


The shoot was to be at her home.


That was fortunate. I would have thought though, with the shoot being at her her home, the model would be unlikely to muck you about so you'd be pretty safe paying a deposit (she doesn't know you and you may have been the type to send round your big brother to 'sort her out'). Guess she has done this before though without anybody taking it further.

But well done for following it through. Hopefully taught her a valuable lesson.

But another though springs to mind; how did you get her real name (and did you know if it was genuine?) It's all very well people asking for an invoice with the model's name and address before paying a deposit, but (unless the shoot is at the model's home) you have no way of knowing if either is genuine. You'd need a copy of their ID and a recent utility bill to back it up which all starts to get a bit complicated (and unlikely they'd agree!)

Edited by mightywhite

I too thought that with the shoot being at her home and her having a number of positive references, that the deposit was a low risk.


I paid the deposit into her bank account by bank transfer.
Had it turned out to be a fake name, then my next move would have been to report the incident to the police.

Lenswonder said, 1730814877

Works well if you have a real a name. Models do go on about being treated the same as other businesses on here but reject the idea of representing themselves like real businesses , meaning with names and addresses.

Obviously won't work well with fake names but nice positive ending. Honestly thought it was going to be one of those same repeated got tricked deposit tales.

Sensual Art said, 1730814888

AlanJay Bank transfer payments come with the double check that the name you enter matches the name on the account, so that will have helped if things got sticky.

AlanJay said, 1730815090

Stu H said

Well done.

There are some on here that will bemoan you for doing this; they'll see £40 a trivial amount and not worth the trouble.

But ...

Up until you came along, scamming customers may have been a lucrative, no effort business for them ... so absolutely well done.


Hopefully this thread will demonstrate that a just result can be obtained with very little effort.