References

tandi we are dealing with real human interaction not business supplying goods. A scoring system would change that dynamic significantly and make that no more reliable for the reasons mentioned.

Anyway I am sure admin would love to get messaged everytime someone feels the score they were allocated was unfair

JME Studios said

If you're that concerned, what's the problem with simply doing your own due dilligence?  Contact the people who've left the references and ask for more in depth feedback.

I've done that in the past.

This is great advice and something we recommend in our due diligence guide, which is one of the many resources sent to all new members by our lovely Meet and Greet (MaG) Team when new members join PurplePort :)

Gerry99111 said

tandi we are dealing with real human interaction not business supplying goods. A scoring system would change that dynamic significantly and make that no more reliable for the reasons mentioned.

Anyway I am sure admin would love to get messaged everytime someone feels the score they were allocated was unfair

Businesses supply goods and services and they are run mainly by humans for humans, sometimes there is even human interaction between the business and customer ;-)

Some photographers and models on here are actually delivering services as a businesses or growing their portfolio for business use.

I just tried to think of a way of rating someone anonymously, because I think if someone gives a glowing reference publicly, then when you DM them they give a bad reference that seems to me to be a bit disingenuous. I am NOT saying there is, but there's a possibility it could also be game playing because the person giving the reference may prefer to work with that person again and stands a better chance if he/she deters others privately, but not publicly. Obviously there are also genuine reasons to deter people privately, but shouldn't that reason be referenced publicly, after all the model/photographer isn't going to work with that person again and it sends a message to anyone wanting to work with her/him that it won't be inappropriate behaviour just won't be tolerated and will be published in a reference.

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tandi if a shoot didn't go the way I'd hoped, I would take the blame myself for booking the wrong model, which I have done before with hindsight and not leave a reference or score. Others may decide it was 100% the models fault and give them a 1.

That immediately throws a scoring system into failure. Some people will pressurise into leaving 5s. Others will always give 3 to appear neutral. Some miserable people will leave 1s all the time because they just don't like modelling anymore but need the cash. I know one model that would fit that

tandi you are trying to fundamentally change how the references have been set up. Maybe create a thread in bugs like previous ones we're rather than hijack this one

Gerry99111 said

tandi if a shoot didn't go the way I'd hoped, I would take the blame myself for booking the wrong model, which I have done before with hindsight and not leave a reference or score. Others may decide it was 100% the models fault and give them a 1.

That immediately throws a scoring system into failure. Some people will pressurise into leaving 5s. Others will always give 3 to appear neutral. Some miserable people will leave 1s all the time because they just don't like modelling anymore but need the cash. I know one model that would fit that

Yep. Even putting aside the "is one the best or is five the best?" problem, which is an easy mistake to make and a genuine and consequential problem in online reviews, star ratings don't and cannot work.

Essentially all of the research on number/star rating systems suggests that there's only modest correlation between the ratings people give and the words they use in their reviews. eBay, Uber, Amazon, products, services, it's all the same; they don't work. 

There are so many different reasons why this gap between scores and sentiments arises, but it's always there.

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Personally, it doesn’t matter to me how old the references are, as long as they are some. I think most models are a good judge of character, we get a feel for people based on their communication and if anything feels a bit off, that’s when we will reach out to other models for a private reference and it works like a treat!

In my 13 years on PP, I have only ever had 2 bad experiences on here. One was genuinely dangerous (negative reference was left and they were later removed from here!) and the other time was more of a personality conflict, which in that situation we both agreed to not leave each other a reference.

I don’t understand why people leave positive references when they’re not warranted, I think it’s best to not leave one at all.

Gerry99111 said

tandi you are trying to fundamentally change how the references have been set up. Maybe create a thread in bugs like previous ones we're rather than hijack this one

I'm not hijacking the thread, the thread is addressed to Models, I am a newbie model and have read some of the previous posts who suggest that not having a recent reference is a bad thing, and those who say that having a positive reference means nothing, because that can change in a DM to the model?

So I just suggested an anonymous way of rating someone for those who felt they could not be honest, that may be worthwhile or useless, I'm not saying it's the best way just offering a suggestion.

The best way would be to give genuine, honest and professional references, fake glowing references just lose the referencing system any credibility, I hope you agree.

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Scoring would end up rather false. There would be the "He only gave me a 4 so I will give him a 3" brigade. or the "He gave me an 8 so I better give an 9 or I will get a complaining message" type. Not being able to see scores would be easy to get round. An idea but not sure it would work.

Valis Volkova said

Personally, it doesn’t matter to me how old the references are, as long as they are some. I think most models are a good judge of character, we get a feel for people based on their communication and if anything feels a bit off, that’s when we will reach out to other models for a private reference and it works like a treat!

In my 13 years on PP, I have only ever had 2 bad experiences on here. One was genuinely dangerous (negative reference was left and they were later removed from here!) and the other time was more of a personality conflict, which in that situation we both agreed to not leave each other a reference.

I don’t understand why people leave positive references when they’re not warranted, I think it’s best to not leave one at all.

whenever I have spoken to models about model safety all bar one have said pretty much exactly the same thing.  I guess that's also something that comes with experience which is why newer and younger models tend to be the target for some people.

ClickMore 📷 said

Scoring would end up rather false. There would be the "He only gave me a 4 so I will give him a 3" brigade. or the "He gave me an 8 so I better give an 9 or I will get a complaining message" type. Not being able to see scores would be easy to get round. An idea but not sure it would work.

Yeah -- mutual scoring adds another whole layer to how it goes wrong. Even adding in a "neutral" score to the PP system would throw it off.  Indeed if purpleport converted to star ratings, the main question we'd have to reckon with is this, actually very difficult question: which star rating should all the current positive ratings be given?

Back to the topic: it's really up to models to work this out, but from my non-model perspective the OP clearly need not worry at all about the gap, not least because his most recent review from two years ago is about how good it was to work with him again after a gap! This kind of review says a lot when you really sit down and think about it. 

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tandi you'll never always get the truth when contacting people. Whoever you contact you'll get their story and it could be a fairytale.

tandi you brought up a fundamental change to the reference system that I do not support for the reasons I have already given. You then have decided to argue with me that the change should be allowed anyway. Bugs is where fundamental changes are proposed and you will not change my mind about how flawed I think a scoring system would be. Any further discussion is just arguing

Gerry99111 said

Any further discussion is just arguing

You said it :-)