Its quite hard work spending money on models

JME Studios , you obviously dont have children. It also appears you dont even know any and borrowed an opinion of 'gen z' from The Daily Mail or GBNews.

As usual, im afraid that whoever tells you what's going on in the world is lying to you and drip feeding you stupid toxic bullshit.

There are no gods*

*Hollywood etc gave up actress a while ago, for actor. It doesn't seem a bad development.

Huw said

Gothic Image said

RaphaelPhoto said

[snip]

Reading you other post, it seems to me that you use photography in order to  build a rapport with your models, almost as if their were your partner, I quote you: "memorable moments and it almost always involves booking a AirBnB in a nice location or traveling to areas". Which clashes with the fact you are paying them for their time, there cannot be any genuine relationship when money is involved, it's a professional transaction, period.

I disagree.  Surely the model still needs to earn an income, even if they're a friend?

Bit sad really, if you can’t be friends with people you work with!

Quite!

There's a distinction perhaps to be made between models who are professionals (it's their only job) and those who act in a professional manner. The one certainly does not guarantee the other.

In my experience there are many models out there who are perfectly capable of keeping on top of comms in a timely manner; Also who will happily work for less than £50/hour (a rate I have never paid to anyone in my recollection).

Whilst this site is significantly better than most I've encountered, there still seems to be a decline in the number of willing models stepping forward generally, the times are changing. But if you are not getting any responses at all I suggest you might want to re-think your approach. Clear, courteous, concise, professional initial comms make all the difference. Even more so, a clear and interesting concept for your shoot.

Photowallah said

There's a distinction perhaps to be made between models who are professionals (it's their only job) and those who act in a professional manner. The one certainly does not guarantee the other.

In my experience there are many models out there who are perfectly capable of keeping on top of comms in a timely manner; Also who will happily work for less than £50/hour (a rate I have never paid to anyone in my recollection)...

+1 

Gothic Image said

Huw said

Gothic Image said

RaphaelPhoto said

[snip]

Reading you other post, it seems to me that you use photography in order to  build a rapport with your models, almost as if their were your partner, I quote you: "memorable moments and it almost always involves booking a AirBnB in a nice location or traveling to areas". Which clashes with the fact you are paying them for their time, there cannot be any genuine relationship when money is involved, it's a professional transaction, period.

I disagree.  Surely the model still needs to earn an income, even if they're a friend?

Bit sad really, if you can’t be friends with people you work with!

Quite!

Between people you work with and people you pay for a job, aka your employees, there is a big difference.
You can have very good a personal rapport and harmony with your employees but I am sorry they're not gonna be your friends, there will always be some sort of boundaries involved.

RaphaelPhoto said

Gothic Image said

Huw said

Gothic Image said

RaphaelPhoto said

[snip]

Reading you other post, it seems to me that you use photography in order to  build a rapport with your models, almost as if their were your partner, I quote you: "memorable moments and it almost always involves booking a AirBnB in a nice location or traveling to areas". Which clashes with the fact you are paying them for their time, there cannot be any genuine relationship when money is involved, it's a professional transaction, period.

I disagree.  Surely the model still needs to earn an income, even if they're a friend?

Bit sad really, if you can’t be friends with people you work with!

Quite!

Between people you work with and people you pay for a job, aka your employees, there is a big difference.
You can have very good a personal rapport and harmony with your employees but I am sorry they're not gonna be your friends, there will always be some sort of boundaries involved.

Not how the world works for me.

John VonGeezer you are correct, I don't have children. Thanks for reminding me of the fact on the last day of my 30's.

I am aware enough of changing habits, however. One thing that does go against the grain is nobody, linear or streaming, seems to make half hour programmes anymore outside the soaps etc. - comedies, gameshows etc - things now tend to run for an hour whereas until 20 or 30 years ago, 30 minutes was the norm.

RaphaelPhoto said

Between people you work with and people you pay for a job, aka your employees, there is a big difference.
You can have very good a personal rapport and harmony with your employees but I am sorry they're not gonna be your friends, there will always be some sort of boundaries involved.

People you pay to do a job are not your employees!

Gothic Image said

RaphaelPhoto said

Between people you work with and people you pay for a job, aka your employees, there is a big difference.
You can have very good a personal rapport and harmony with your employees but I am sorry they're not gonna be your friends, there will always be some sort of boundaries involved.

People you pay to do a job are not your employees!

If I hire a plumber to come and do a job in my home, they might be legally a contractor, but in everyday parlance I am employing them, so they are an employee in that looser sense.

Sorry but no, they will either be self-employed or an employee of a company. You might well be employing them but they aren't your employee. This is important to understand when hiring a model.

£30 per hour for a few hours work doesn’t make you anyone’s employer.

You’re a customer.

Sorry to hear that Martin. You’re an absolute pleasure to work with!

I can only speculate, but maybe it’s an issue with them not having a proper admin system in place. A lot of pro models will constantly be on tour and it’s difficult to find time to respond to messages when on the road. Maybe they’ve opened the message before they’re ready to respond and forgot to reply. I know I’ve been guilty of this in the past, which is why I don’t open messages until I’m ready to respond now.

Having worked with you, I know it’s not a reflection on you at all. Most likely disorganisation on their behalf!

Thanks to the OP for posting this thread - thought it was just me experiencing this. I normally pay models - usually only TF when the model offers it. Finding the 'no response to a paid shoot being offered' is happening more often. Probably has more effect for me as there are not heaps of models in Lincolnshire......