Models: art-nude models: The supply of art-nude models: retention, and recruitment of new ones

Huw said

Then you get a really great model who jumps in the car and drives 200 miles to you, stopping on the way for a couple of parachute jumps...

:)

Rather good, isn't she? :) 

To go back to the original query -

"Are there things we should do to retain models who like art nude work, and are good at it, and which not enough or all of us are doing; and things to not do?"

It was mentioned by the OP that -

"Art nude is a classification imprecise in its nature, one member specified he meant "naked chicks on rocks"...

Now I can well imagine that it was said with humorous intent and was not meant to be derogatory in any way. But if you were a young model, considering working to art nude, I am finding it difficult to see how it could be seen as complimentary.

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MidgePhoto I don't think we can, realistically. If someone goes into a certain career, they are always going to be circumspect about nude images floating around.

Actually Huw makes a good point.

I'd say 3 in 4 of the models I've shot don't drive and trains are, well, what they are...

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Previously I never found it a problem to find models who modelled to art nude levels, it was a combination of working at my home studio and using the now closed Aatish's where I could book a half a day shoot with touring model. In last year since my last shoot one model who became a regular has moved out of the area. On the positive side there are two more places to shoot an hour by train in Stoke that I shoot at.

Orson Carter said

Huw said

Then you get a really great model who jumps in the car and drives 200 miles to you, stopping on the way for a couple of parachute jumps...

:)

Rather good, isn't she? :) 

Amazing model, lovely person, super fun, super intelligent.
Only model I've shot with clothes on in the last ten years or so, and I'll shoot her again any chance I get.

Chris Green said

As I said on another thread, I did a fashion casting call recently and had 31 applicants within 24 hours. Maybe that just reflects supply and demand of different levels.

I do agree that it helps not to quote a fee in a casting call though. The way most industries work is that service providers quote a fee rather than the person offering the contract.

Actually, I have seen both approaches work, even going up to fairly large (seven figures, not sure I've seen an eight go this way) contracts - companies are invited to bid based on how much they can deliver for the price, not how cheaply they can do the job.

Now that I think about it, maybe the way to recruit new art nude models is to post a casting call, offering a decent rate, perhaps for anonymous work? I can't say it's really something that I've given too much thought.

jamesreme said

To go back to the original query -

"Are there things we should do to retain models who like art nude work, and are good at it, and which not enough or all of us are doing; and things to not do?"

It was mentioned by the OP that -

"Art nude is a classification imprecise in its nature, one member specified he meant "naked chicks on rocks"...

Now I can well imagine that it was said with humorous intent and was not meant to be derogatory in any way. But if you were a young model, considering working to art nude, I am finding it difficult to see how it could be seen as complimentary.

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Strangely enough, I've never had anyone take offence.
I'm surrounded by feminists who would be quick to say so.
I stole the term form a famous fashion photographer's wife.

Now, referring to women as "Girls" in a business meeting or when judging a photo competition is offensive, and those who can't tell the difference are best advised to play safe.

Huw Strange indeed.

The Ghost said

Chris Green said

As I said on another thread, I did a fashion casting call recently and had 31 applicants within 24 hours. Maybe that just reflects supply and demand of different levels.

I do agree that it helps not to quote a fee in a casting call though. (1) The way most industries work is that service providers quote a fee rather than the person offering the contract.

Actually, I have seen both approaches work, even going up to fairly large (seven figures, not sure I've seen an eight go this way) contracts - companies are invited to bid based on how much they can deliver for the price, not how cheaply they can do the job.

Now that I think about it, (2) maybe the way to recruit new art nude models is to post a casting call, offering a decent rate, perhaps for anonymous work? I can't say it's really something that I've given too much thought.

(1)

I have one US multinational client that likes to set a price for the next two years in a contract;
another US multinational that doesn't even ask the price because speed reliability and accuracy count for more.
The second one seems to be doing better.

(2)

This is an idea I may try. Thanks.

jamesreme said

Huw Strange indeed.

Not really.
Mummy carried a gun till I was five...
Grew up with horses, went to pony club, ran pony club, ran riding club.
95% female environment. 
Anyone who thinks girls are the weaker sex needs to get on a horse and try to keep up over a set of big fences.

Most of my work comes from very highly placed female scientists worldwide because competitors tend to be sexist.

Huw

"Strangely enough, I've never had anyone take offence."

Make your mind up... :-)

jamesreme said

Huw

"Strangely enough, I've never had anyone take offence."

Make your mind up... :-)

You would appear to be the first to take offence.

I don't really have a great need to shoot you naked on a rock for the sake of art.

;)

Huw

Well you say that but you've never seen me...

"Strangely enough, I've never had anyone take offence."

"Not really"

Anyway you appear to be disagreeing with yourself so I can't see why I'm needed with that so will leave you to it.

Chris Green there's nothing stating a casting by a photographer is narrow but your view.