Lyme Disease - We are all at risk

 

A Shot in the Dark said, 1562960576

Miss Diamond Sparkle ��☯ I assume you only need antibiotics if you actually get lyme disease? I don't think all of them are carriers? Could be wrong though!

Miss Diamond Sparkle 💕☯ aka nudie butt said, 1562960821

yep :-) and it didn't like me anyway (it was dead)

Revivify said, 1563023690

My nearest hospital (Raigmore, Inverness) is the Scottish Lyme lab.   

https://www.bmj.com/content/351/bmj.h6520/rr-7

 Maybe some useful info from links in here https://hps.scot.nhs.uk/media/1458/sldtrl-user-manual-2019.pdf

Telperion said, 1563054964


I live in the middle of Thetford Forest, I walk in the forest everyday, I've lived here for 30 years and, although I've been bitten plenty of times, I've never been infected.

A small percentage of ticks are infected, a small percentage of bites transmit the disease.

As with every other risk it's wise to be aware, also wise not to over react. don't be complacent, follow the advice and you should be OK.

rimфsky° said, 1563057222

Lionworks said


I live in the middle of Thetford Forest, I walk in the forest everyday, I've lived here for 30 years and, although I've been bitten plenty of times, I've never been infected.

A small percentage of ticks are infected, a small percentage of bites transmit the disease.

As with every other risk it's wise to be aware, also wise not to over react. don't be complacent, follow the advice and you should be OK.


That's alright then, in this thread I have been infected and it looks like someone else has been too, but clearly Thetford forest is the place to be.

Telperion said, 1563057613

rimфsky° said

Lionworks said


I live in the middle of Thetford Forest, I walk in the forest everyday, I've lived here for 30 years and, although I've been bitten plenty of times, I've never been infected.

A small percentage of ticks are infected, a small percentage of bites transmit the disease.

As with every other risk it's wise to be aware, also wise not to over react. don't be complacent, follow the advice and you should be OK.


That's alright then, in this thread I have been infected and it looks like someone else has been too, but clearly Thetford forest is the place to be.


There will be at any given time thousands of people, tens of thousands probably, working, walking, living in the fields, farms and forests of Britain. A vanishingly small percentage get infected. While, obviously, every case of infection is of concern it is wise not to be alarmist.

I have a place in Hackney, I've never been stabbed, although the risk of knife crime is widely reported. You take a balanced and pragmatic view of the risk, take precautions where necessary and you get on with your life.

I hope your treatment is successful, and you make a full recovery.

Huw said, 1563057890

If you get the tick off straight away, you don’t get infected. It takes about 24 hours.


“ When nymphal ticks feed, the bacteria pass through the hemocoel to the salivary glands and are transmitted to a new host in the saliva after 2 days”

https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/8/2/01-0198_article


So....    don’t worry excessively, just check carefully that evening.

Edited by Huw

smileyman said, 1563100542

I got Lyme and was VERY ill for 10 years, I still get flare ups. GP's in the UK are useless, also the Lyme blood test isn't very conclusive as it is often wrong and pulls up false negative results. Symptoms will include flu like symptoms at the beginning, but then the illness becomes incredibly debilitating. The fatigue I suffered was excruciating, I didn't drive for 2 years, couldn't walk further than 100 yards without feeling so ill. I was unable to carry a bag of shopping through the house without being wiped out for days. Every morning I woke up feeling nauseous. I also had twitches in every part of my body, sometimes I looked like I had been plugged into the mains as I was twitching so badly. Muscle cramps are also a big symptom, had calf muscle cramps for the whole 10 years. Going to sleep was the only respite.

Very few GP's have any clue how to treat you, they will send you for so many blood tests it gets ridiculous, they will also tell you you have chronic fatigue syndrome, fibromyalgia etc.. although my fibre test then showed I didnt have that (although all similar symptoms). 

I'm now so anal with my child and wife and family about protecting themselves against tics as much as they can, take my word for it, you do not want to go through what I went through, sometimes when you feel ill all the time for so long it makes you question the validity of life...and I'm not that type of person at all.

I used endless vitamins, read up on ways to try and get myself better and finally got there, as i say I still get flare ups but these are getting less and less thank god, so I lead a pretty normal life now and can do things again that I thought I would never do.

Not all tics carry Lyme but err on the side of caution.

If anybody has lyme or is worried, always happy to chat about what you can do to help yourself get through it. Oh and if you get bit by a tic INSIST on anti biotics straight away, I never knew to do that.

Edited by smileyman

Edited by smileyman

Huw said, 1563104787

smileyman said

I got Lyme and was VERY ill for 10 years, I still get flare ups. GP's in the UK are useless, also the Lyme blood test isn't very conclusive as it is often wrong and pulls up false negative results. Symptoms will include flu like symptoms at the beginning, but then the illness becomes incredibly debilitating. The fatigue I suffered was excruciating, I didn't drive for 2 years, couldn't walk further than 100 yards without feeling so ill. I was unable to carry a bag of shopping through the house without being wiped out for days. Every morning I woke up feeling nauseous. I also had twitches in every part of my body, sometimes I looked like I had been plugged into the mains as I was twitching so badly. Muscle cramps are also a big symptom, had calf muscle cramps for the whole 10 years. Going to sleep was the only respite.

Very few GP's have any clue how to treat you, they will send you for so many blood tests it gets ridiculous, they will also tell you you have chronic fatigue syndrome, fibromyalgia etc.. although my fibre test then showed I didnt have that (although all similar symptoms). 

I'm now so anal with my child and wife and family about protecting themselves against tics as much as they can, take my word for it, you do not want to go through what I went through, sometimes when you feel ill all the time for so long it makes you question the validity of life...and I'm not that type of person at all.

I used endless vitamins, read up on ways to try and get myself better and finally got there, as i say I still get flare ups but these are getting less and less thank god, so I lead a pretty normal life now and can do things again that I thought I would never do.

Not all tics carry Lyme but err on the side of caution.

If anybody has lyme or is worried, always happy to chat about what you can do to help yourself get through it. Oh and if you get bit by a tic INSIST on anti biotics straight away, I never knew to do that.

Edited by smileyman

Edited by smileyman


Yep, same history as my wife.

Richard Winn said, 1563108675

Lionworks said

rimфsky° said

Lionworks said


I live in the middle of Thetford Forest, I walk in the forest everyday, I've lived here for 30 years and, although I've been bitten plenty of times, I've never been infected.

A small percentage of ticks are infected, a small percentage of bites transmit the disease.

As with every other risk it's wise to be aware, also wise not to over react. don't be complacent, follow the advice and you should be OK.


That's alright then, in this thread I have been infected and it looks like someone else has been too, but clearly Thetford forest is the place to be.


There will be at any given time thousands of people, tens of thousands probably, working, walking, living in the fields, farms and forests of Britain. A vanishingly small percentage get infected. While, obviously, every case of infection is of concern it is wise not to be alarmist.

I have a place in Hackney, I've never been stabbed, although the risk of knife crime is widely reported. You take a balanced and pragmatic view of the risk, take precautions where necessary and you get on with your life.

I hope your treatment is successful, and you make a full recovery.

I don't think anyone has been alarmist. However, knowledge of Lyme Disease isn't as strong as it perhaps should be. Incidence is underdiagnosed and an accurate reflection of true infection rates is unknown. There are no studies that have looked at percentage of infected ticks in any area that I'm aware of. It does remain uncommon, but to describe it as rare is inaccurate, but of course, they are relative terms and what exactly does uncommon mean? They key is to know the risks and to mitigate. It is sensible to avoid shooting in areas where there is a risk of tick bites. Overall incidence of tick infection may be low, but the more bites you have, the greater the chance you will be bitten by an infected tick. It is also about dressing appropriately and protecting yourself and being aware of the signs and symptoms, so that you don't ignore them.

Telperion said, 1563110936

Richard Winn said

Lionworks said

rimфsky° said

Lionworks said


I live in the middle of Thetford Forest, I walk in the forest everyday, I've lived here for 30 years and, although I've been bitten plenty of times, I've never been infected.

A small percentage of ticks are infected, a small percentage of bites transmit the disease.

As with every other risk it's wise to be aware, also wise not to over react. don't be complacent, follow the advice and you should be OK.


That's alright then, in this thread I have been infected and it looks like someone else has been too, but clearly Thetford forest is the place to be.


There will be at any given time thousands of people, tens of thousands probably, working, walking, living in the fields, farms and forests of Britain. A vanishingly small percentage get infected. While, obviously, every case of infection is of concern it is wise not to be alarmist.

I have a place in Hackney, I've never been stabbed, although the risk of knife crime is widely reported. You take a balanced and pragmatic view of the risk, take precautions where necessary and you get on with your life.

I hope your treatment is successful, and you make a full recovery.

I don't think anyone has been alarmist. However, knowledge of Lyme Disease isn't as strong as it perhaps should be. Incidence is underdiagnosed and an accurate reflection of true infection rates is unknown. There are no studies that have looked at percentage of infected ticks in any area that I'm aware of. It does remain uncommon, but to describe it as rare is inaccurate, but of course, they are relative terms and what exactly does uncommon mean? They key is to know the risks and to mitigate. It is sensible to avoid shooting in areas where there is a risk of tick bites. Overall incidence of tick infection may be low, but the more bites you have, the greater the chance you will be bitten by an infected tick. It is also about dressing appropriately and protecting yourself and being aware of the signs and symptoms, so that you don't ignore them.


I agree entirely. Awareness is the issue, and more should be done, especially amongst our GP's and Nurses.

There are approximately 1,000 cases diagnosed by testing in the UK each year. Even if we presumed under reporting in the 100's of % that would suggest an annual infection rate of around 2,000 and project that into the rural, rather than the urban population of the UK (approx 9.3 million) it would be one case per 5,000, or the same risk of dying from the flu.

In other words being infected by Lyme disease is a good deal less likely than being killed by smoking or the life shortening effects of born in Glasgow (I kid you not). Almost all natural causes have a better chance of killing you after the age of 40 than the risk of catching Lyme disease and Lymes' is detectable and treatable.

I only throw this out because we are an increasing nervous and scared nation, people are (seemingly) retreating into ever more protected space, the frightful Stratford Westfield is heaving, the Olympic Park outside is empty. You can magnify that onto nature across the Island. Projecting fear onto the countryside inevitably robs people of a natural resources that is, in almost every case, more likely to heal than harm you.




Huw said, 1563112636

One more paper saying it....   there's little or no risk of infection if you remove the tick within a few hours.

"As engorgement commences, dormant spirochaetes in the midgut are stimulated to multiply and develop into infective stages [39]. Because this process takes several hours (the exact period is under debate and ranges from 4 to 48 h) infections can be avoided by prompt removal of the tick"

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5282849/

StubbsPhotography said, 1563158923

very useful post, thanks for posting it

Tom2000 said, 1575978994

it´s not only ticks, also this large horse flies can infect you with Lyme disease! Sorry, don´t know the english name for that flies.

Stevia helps and liposal Vitamin D3. Please research it!

Antibiotics and other pharma products don´t help on acute Lyme disease! Or better said, with antibiotics you never get complete rid of it and the Lyme disease comes back after a while and even more resistant against antibiotics!

If you have to make an outdoor shooting you can use Black Seed oil on the skin as protection. It´s 100% natural and ticks don´t like it.





Photomode said, 1576229710

Tom2000 said

it´s not only ticks, also this large horse flies can infect you with Lyme disease! Sorry, don´t know the english name for that flies.

Stevia helps and liposal Vitamin D3. Please research it!

Antibiotics and other pharma products don´t help on acute Lyme disease! Or better said, with antibiotics you never get complete rid of it and the Lyme disease comes back after a while and even more resistant against antibiotics!

If you have to make an outdoor shooting you can use Black Seed oil on the skin as protection. It´s 100% natural and ticks don´t like it.





have you actual any scientific proof of this.