Only Fans & Patreon

The way to avoid this is simply to agree up front what the photos will be used for, with a suitable commercial arrangement. (And perhaps remind the model about who owns the Copyright if needs be?)

Orson Carter said

How best to avoid it?...

Choose your models carefully. 

There's a lot to be said for that ...

I’d imagine given OF customer demand most images would have to be atleast topless and nude with a preference for higher level, most of my shoots would not fall into that level, so I never give it thought. But if I was shooting those levels I’d discuss the expectation of the shoot and naturally choose the models carefully

tandi i’m sorry to be blunt but if i didn’t sign a model release that explicitly states my images would be put for profit on such a site, then my nude images shouldn’t be sold in a pornographic way.

Caitlyn. if you didn’t sign a release contact the site and explain you gave no permission or signed anything that agreed to your images being used on that site, I did this when someone posted my images on beatbox, they were pulled instantly

Caitlyn. said

tandi i’m sorry to be blunt but if i didn’t sign a model release that explicitly states my images would be put for profit on such a site, then my nude images shouldn’t be sold in a pornographic way.

I appreciate that, but from what I have gleamed unless a model specifies that the photographer cannot do certain things with images a photographer paid that model to pose for, then as the owner of the copyright the photographer is allowed to do anything they want with their work. I would have a conversation with the photographer and see if the photographer actually uploaded them to the sites you have seen them on, if they did, ask if they would remove them?

Other people know far more than me about photography specific copyright.

tandi I know some models provide forms for their photographers to sign, I think @Cheryl Elizabeth does

I may or may not say yes if she asks but I wouldn't be pleased if it was done without my consent.

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Thelema said

tandi I know some models provide forms for their photographers to sign, I think @Cheryl Elizabeth does

After learning that TFP was only TFP for the model and the photographer could do anything with the images they wanted, unless it was agreed between me and the photographer that it should only be portfolio use for both parties and any other use would need both parties consent, so do I, I have my own contract which states "Strictly No Pay Per View", I have seen it on other models profile.

tandi exactly, I think it’s becoming more of a thing these days! Pre or early internet this wasn’t such an issue but there are so many platforms where this content can be found I can understand a model wanting to ensure they don’t end up on certain types of sites.

art65 said

I may or may not say yes if she asks but I wouldn't be pleased if it was done without my consent.

I just read the T&C's on both sites, no one can post on those site unless they are the owner/copyright holder of the content or have a license which allows the content account holder to post on the site, royalty free and monetise it etc etc. Without a license or ownership then the content uploader is liable.

I generally discuss where images are intended to finish up - including from my own point of view.

Plus wherever possible I ask if its ok to post to whatever folio before doing so... I know I don't have to especially with a paid shoot but for me it's just curtious/respectful.

Furthermore if any of our images make money then I'd expect to offer to share 50/50, that's not to say I'd want anything from it but an offer is respected.

I generally wouldn't do a paid shoot if the model is mainly looking to post on those types of business sites though.

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tandi said

art65 said

I may or may not say yes if she asks but I wouldn't be pleased if it was done without my consent.

I just read the T&C's on both sites, no one can post on those site unless they are the owner/copyright holder of the content or have a license which allows the content account holder to post on the site, royalty free and monetise it etc etc. Without a license or ownership then the content uploader is liable.

That assumes the honesty of the person posting I suppose?

I wouldn't know if they did. However I have seen my pictures on Adult Folio. I know that isn't a pay site but I would guess that the copyright principle would be the same?

UK Law is blunt, and if the images used are put up by the copyright owner, then there is a course of actin on "moral copyright" perhaps.

If no release was signed, and the photographer has had their images stolen, they can issue the necessary paperwork to have them taken down, but some sites are outside the law (geographically and morally).

As annoying as it seems, I have actually made good money from agencies and news organisations "borrowing" my images.  I invoice, and they argue, and pay the invoice just before the court date. 

In the short term, as Tandi has said, the copyright owner contacting the site with proof of ownership might be the simplest way to get them removed?

Caitlyn. not sure if you mean that the photographer has posted images that you both created on his pay type sites or if someone else has stolen images of you, but if it's photographer that you shot with - then essentially unless you have a written document saying where he/she can or can't post - then you have little grounds.

My only advice is to be a little more picky with who you shoot with, some of us team up purely on a trust and respect understanding and will ask before posting images, others work on the principle - they took the shot and they can do what they like with it.

Try and stay clear of the latter.