Only Fans & Patreon

Threads definitely going off topic.

CalmNudes said

Incandescent Images said

... . I had a topless shot of a model who later became a mum and reached out to ask if I would remove it from my profile for that reason.

Result? I just removed it as per her request. It was the decent thing to do.

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A great many of us are guided by what seems the decent thing to do. A model asks nicely and/or with what seems like good reason if we'd take a picture down, it's done its job for us on our port and there isn't a strong reason to keep it on PP for ever; so, knowing we have the right to say "no", we say yes, and everyone is happy. 

Not all requests come in a form people will agree to, and some people respond to the most reasonable request by going on about their rights, the investment they made, and so on, and everyone ends up unhappy with everyone. 

Yep. There's a hefty difference between having the right to do something, and doing the right thing. 

Six pages in and it would be nice to hear what the OP thinks of all the responses to their question(s) so far?

I just give it to them. There is no harm in allowing models to make money from your combined work, unless you plan to put the images up for a subscription service like any of these.
I just ask to not be tagged on any of the images/videos or mentioned as the photographers

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Lenswonder said

Threads definitely going off topic.

Not really helped by the fact that there are two topics interwoven?

Orson Carter said

CalmNudes said

Incandescent Images said

... . I had a topless shot of a model who later became a mum and reached out to ask if I would remove it from my profile for that reason.

Result? I just removed it as per her request. It was the decent thing to do.

...

A great many of us are guided by what seems the decent thing to do. A model asks nicely and/or with what seems like good reason if we'd take a picture down, it's done its job for us on our port and there isn't a strong reason to keep it on PP for ever; so, knowing we have the right to say "no", we say yes, and everyone is happy. 

Not all requests come in a form people will agree to, and some people respond to the most reasonable request by going on about their rights, the investment they made, and so on, and everyone ends up unhappy with everyone. 

Yep. There's a hefty difference between having the right to do something, and doing the right thing. 

I know it’s completely off topic but Sir Kier seems to have learned this difference, very recently, the hard way. 😜😝

I used to shoot with a model who had an Only Fans account. We would do an agreed shoot and when finished we would shoot an hour or so with content for OF. I did not pay for that and I knew she was using the images for OF - we did some video too something I don't normally do. That arrangement worked for both of us.

Gothic Image I think there's one topic , threads like this seem to become an opportunity for some to play hero. Some actually want to have a conversation & understand view points or experiences, others use it to point fingers and win applauds from models.

Stephen Roissy said

I used to shoot with a model who had an Only Fans account. We would do an agreed shoot and when finished we would shoot an hour or so with content for OF. I did not pay for that and I knew she was using the images for OF - we did some video too something I don't normally do. That arrangement worked for both of us.

That seems totes fair. I was paying a model for her time for one thing and she asked me if I'd shoot a couple of shots in a page 3 idol style so she could enter. Twenty minutes out of my life, we both had a giggle, no harm done.

If it was just a general shoot that you paid the model then the model saw how good the images were and then wanted to put on OF then you could either say no or charge per image and grant a "licence" just for use on their OF

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Photowallah Just to add. Many sites operate internationally. In such cases, many stipulate the requirement of a model release for any commercial work (as opposed to editorial). Stock sites are one example of this. Model releases are required in the US, so any site based there will require a model release. However, how they monitor it, is another story. I suspect stock agencies are much more stringent on accessing releases before allowing commercial use. Other sites such as Only Fans and Patreon may rely on "honesty", rather than actively monitor. I'm not 100% on where they are based, but it's worth any models who have images of them uploaded against their wishes, checking.

Richard Winn said

Photowallah Just to add. Many sites operate internationally. In such cases, many stipulate the requirement of a model release for any commercial work (as opposed to editorial). Stock sites are one example of this. Model releases are required in the US, so any site based there will require a model release. However, how they monitor it, is another story. I suspect stock agencies are much more stringent on accessing releases before allowing commercial use. Other sites such as Only Fans and Patreon may rely on "honesty", rather than actively monitor. I'm not 100% on where they are based, but it's worth any models who have images of them uploaded against their wishes, checking.

The risk a photographer takes, should he upload images of a model to a pay site, whether or not the platform is based within the UK and without a valid model release, is the loss of earnings which haven't already been paid out and a ban. The 'trigger' is a complaint made by a model to the site, rather than any process the platform implements systematically.

Hence, the best advice for any model who does not want images to appear on a photographer's pay site is to NEVER SIGN A MODEL RELEASE. If they don't, they may be reasonably assured that any pay site (other than those based in Russia) will take down images if the photographer cannot provide a valid release when challenged.

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FiL said

Hence, the best advice for any model who does not want images to appear on a photographer's pay site is to NEVER SIGN A MODEL RELEASE.

Contracts protect the rights of the model and the photographer, including assurance that any taxes due from the photographers one off payment to the model are the models or agencies responsibility, not the photographers.

tandi Precisely. Model releases and contracts when used correctly can be used as a contract, as part of business transactions. Without a written contract, assumptions are likely to be made, including blanket use. Some models actually have their own model releases, precisely to protect where images of them are used.