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MarkGerrardPhotography said

There were some pictures posted this morning of a model who was at a club night on Wednesday and when I looked at her profile she hadn't logged in for 5 years

That must have been one hell of a party for the model.😉🤣

sd photography54 said

CalmNudes said

Seeing who is complaining about lurkers makes me smile. 

Ditto.🤣

He's keeping the smiles coming too. I wonder if the thread has enough life in it before admin close it to make it worth fetching popcorn. 

CalmNudes said

sd photography54 said

CalmNudes said

Seeing who is complaining about lurkers makes me smile. 

Ditto.🤣

He's keeping the smiles coming too. I wonder if the thread has enough life in it before admin close it to make it worth fetching popcorn. 

I'll be ten minutes, just going to the shop, ( if I'm any longer they haven't any in and I'm at the supermarket) 😉🤣

ANDY00 said

That’s the point of the OP’s post, isn’t it? To gauge the arguments for and against keeping them visible. To be honest, the reasons for keeping them visible in every search are weak at best, but that’s democracy. And as has been said, Russ is leaning toward your side of the discussion, but that doesn’t mean we can’t talk about it. Or is that not allowed either? Am I stealing your argument too? :-)

Clearly, more people search for active accounts than inactive ones. How often do you actually search for an inactive account? The ability to find them wouldn’t change, but if 99.9% of searches are for active accounts and only 0.001% are for inactive ones, I don’t really get your argument. People searching for inactive accounts would still be able to find them either way.

Wrong - the original post suggested admin contact the inactive account holders, which then lead to the various options of deletion or hiding. It's nothing to do with democracy - whilst Russ may listen to viewpoints, this site is his & he makes the decisions.  Where have I suggested or even implied that it can't be talked about? 

The reasons may be weak in your opinion, but for those who do look at inactive accounts then it's not weak.  The argument for hiding them is much weaker when you factor in that there is already the ability to hide them if you choose to do so. It also doesn't address the case of members who login occasionally and never post anything or send/reply to messages.

I rarely specifically search for inactive accounts, but when searching for models I will often look at those that are inactive and if there's any that particularly catch my eye then I will check across other platforms to see if they are still actively modelling.  For instance there was a model a while ago that I found was inactive on here, but still active on Instagram - there's almost no chance that I would have found them by any other means than seeing them on here.  

Allesandro B said

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ANDY00 said

To be honest, I have to ask myself what people's motivations are. I can clearly see the benefits the site gets from keeping dead and inactive accounts alive, and I understand the motivations of those who want the dead weight cleared. But for those fighting tooth and nail to keep accounts that have been inactive for years visible, I just can't see a credible reason. Years is a long time, really. Do you think those users are going to mind that they aren't showing up in photographers' or models' searches if they haven't logged in for so long? I just don't see it. And if all they needed to do was log in to reactivate, is that really such a bad thing? If they truly don’t want to return and log in, why are we holding on to all their stuff? :-)  And if they have to come back to reactivate, who knows, maybe they’ll have a shoot or two while they’re here. it's an incentive to participate.

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I fail to understand why this is an issue and why people are trying to influence what happens to other people's portfolios. If you don't want to see the portfolios of people who haven't logged in for however long just filter them out. The search facility makes them invisible to you. 

It's nobody else's business if someone wants to maintain a presence, not log in and not delete their account. They might want to return at some point and if the management of PP say that's ok then it's ok.

There are photographers here who log in here every day, have been members since the year dot but haven't shot for years and from that you could summise they are never going to shoot again, well they aren't much use to models searching for photographers to work with are they? Maybe they should be given the heave ho to I mean what are their motivations for being here? 

The pandemic caused a big shift in the gig economy, many models shifted away to other things including OF, I think that will change, there have been a few models returning recently. Whether that's because flashing their fanny on OF isn't quite as lucrative as it was or they genuinely miss shooting who knows but I say let's live and let live and just get on with your own life.

I completely fail to see how your response is connected to my comment in any way. Firstly, nobody is suggesting what should be done with anyone's portfolios—this is about visibility, not deletion or forced action. It’s a non-destructive approach that simply removes long-term inactive profiles from searches, which is a standard practice on most social platforms across the internet. If someone hasn’t logged into the site for over a year, they’re clearly not actively participating. And if all it takes to reappear in searches is logging back in, where’s the harm? It encourages people to stay engaged with the site, while also keeping searches relevant for those looking for active collaborators. It’s not about controlling anyone’s portfolio or account, just about maintaining an active and productive community and encouraging participation.

It doesn't prevent people from messaging them, it doesn’t affect any FPIs they’ve earned, and it doesn’t alter their portfolio in any way. The only change is that long-term inactive profiles would be hidden from active members' searches. They can still be found by those directly searching for them or in images they are tagged in, and everything stays intact, waiting for them to log in and become active again. It’s just about keeping search results relevant and decluttered, not erasing anyone’s presence or accomplishments.

Since you felt the need to quote my question out of context, why not answer it directly? Why exactly do you want to keep 3-5 year inactive accounts active in searches? What personal benefit do you get from it? I’m genuinely curious. How does a model's portfolio, untouched and inactive for 5 years, positively influence your use of the site? Because, to be honest, it feels like you're defending the haunted house section and I’m not sure why. Enlighten me.

Oh, and your line 'There are photographers here who log in every day'—yes, exactly! They log in every day, or frequently, or even monthly. That’s the point—they participate in the community, unlike those who haven’t logged in for 5 years. It’s not really the same thing, is it? And sure, people get older and may not be able to do as much as they once did for multiple reasons, and that’s perfectly fine. They can still be involved in other capacities within the community or take a break—that’s their choice, nobody is saying they cant in any way

 

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I've answered your question, how long someone's account has been inactive is absolutely none of my business. Just because someone hasn't logged for a while in doesn't mean they are not "using" the site (albeit not in the way you want them to). It's still a portfolio presence and it may have a link to somewhere where they are more active.

It's all academic, the facility exists to filter the profiles you don't want to see and most importantly Russ has said it's not happening.

Mmmhmm, so your big argument is that they might not be on the site but somehow they're still using it—telepathy, maybe? If the account has been inactive for 1 to 5 years and they haven't logged in, they certainly aren’t picking up the mail, are they?

And still, the only big argument from the 'keep inactive accounts visible' crowd is, 'You can change the search filter every time you search'—, right? Oh, and let’s not forget the telepathy theory—maybe they’re using their mind powers to pick up their messages after being offline for five years. Makes total sense, great Debating points :-)

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Its called Instagram, there are loads of models who were here 3 years ago who aren't active here the way you want them to be but they are still modelling and their port here will have those details.  Its hard to search for models on Instagram it's easy here. 

If you make them invisible by default like you want to then they won't be discovered. 

Yes I keep going back to the point you can filter them out because that's all you have to do..

Yes you can use their Instagram to find them - if they have it on their PP page or even if it works, but how happy with PP be if people are taken from their site!! The purpose however of the original post as I said at the beginning still stands. Why have an account that is 3,4,5 years old. Yes I can filter them out, but why have the account. On most social media platforms these accounts would have been put into hibernation. And as PP keeps telling us it is a bout community and engagement then why are they on here. 

Lauraanne (Photographer) said

 

Yes you can use their Instagram to find them - if they have it on their PP page or even if it works, but how happy with PP be if people are taken from their site!! The purpose however of the original post as I said at the beginning still stands. Why have an account that is 3,4,5 years old. Yes I can filter them out, but why have the account. On most social media platforms these accounts would have been put into hibernation. And as PP keeps telling us it is a bout community and engagement then why are they on here. 

In my case I found a model that was inactive on here by searching other sites for models with the same name because it's quite normal for models to use the same or similar usernames across multiple sites as part of their "brand".  

For many I guess they move on and forget about PP, but is their lack of engagement any worse than those who do login, but do not engage in any way?  Not just models, but so called photographers, retouchers, etc. - they're present in every category.  As for other social media sites hibernating inactive users - there's a very big one that still has a page active for my dad, despite the fact that he's been unable to login in since before COVID as his password got lost and we no longer have access to the email address associated with that account.

Lauraanne (Photographer) said

Its called Instagram, there are loads of models who were here 3 years ago who aren't active here the way you want them to be but they are still modelling and their port here will have those details.  Its hard to search for models on Instagram it's easy here. 

If you make them invisible by default like you want to then they won't be discovered. 

Yes I keep going back to the point you can filter them out because that's all you have to do..

Yes you can use their Instagram to find them - if they have it on their PP page or even if it works, but how happy with PP be if people are taken from their site!! The purpose however of the original post as I said at the beginning still stands. Why have an account that is 3,4,5 years old. Yes I can filter them out, but why have the account. On most social media platforms these accounts would have been put into hibernation. And as PP keeps telling us it is a bout community and engagement then why are they on here. 

I'm guessing Russ can't be that unhappy with it Lauraanne because he is not going to change it. I can think of a few reasons why models have a portfolio but don't log in.

a) it's a placeholder that signposts to other platforms.  There is an excellent model who is in a very recent share a shoot, whilst she does log in occasionally she explicitly says on her port I don't log in here very often contact me on Instagram.  I don't really see any difference between her and models who have put their instagram details in their portfolio, a quick search tells you tells you whether they are still actively modelling and quite often I have found that they are.   

b) The pandemic hit the gig economy and models particularly badly, who is to say they won't come back at some point.  I've seen a few return lately, some were quite high profile here pre pandemic

c) There are quite a few foreign models that don't tour the UK very often, PP is not where they get their regular business from (maybe they use Model-Kartei) but then they decide they will do a tour of the UK and log back in.  I've shot with a coupe of those.

All of those are reasons for me why I wouldn't want them made invisible from the site until they logged back in because then they can't be discovered.  I'm not denying there are defunct accounts but that's the same for photographers and studios. 

If there wasn't the ability to filter I'd agree with you but the solution exists.  My default search is set at 90 days, sometimes I narrow that sometimes I widen, it just depends (for all of the reasons above)

Orson Carter fully agree, I travel around the south of the UK frequently with work and some searches in certain areas bring back nobody that’s logged in for years! You kinda get your hopes up when the searches come back until you see when they last logged in 😕