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To be honest, I have to ask myself what people's motivations are. I can clearly see the benefits the site gets from keeping dead and inactive accounts alive, and I understand the motivations of those who want the dead weight cleared. But for those fighting tooth and nail to keep accounts that have been inactive for years visible, I just can't see a credible reason. Years is a long time, really. Do you think those users are going to mind that they aren't showing up in photographers' or models' searches if they haven't logged in for so long? I just don't see it. And if all they needed to do was log in to reactivate, is that really such a bad thing? If they truly don’t want to return and log in, why are we holding on to all their stuff? :-)  And if they have to come back to reactivate, who knows, maybe they’ll have a shoot or two while they’re here. it's an incentive to participate.

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Sensual Art said

FarmerSteve so the only value you're considering of an image is to be able to identify the model, rather than to appreciate the picture on its own merits?

Not at all - I was merely extending your point to highlight that as well as inactive models we have images of models who aren't on this site & ones where the model isn't credited for whatever reason. 

Or you could just search for them on Instagram

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ANDY00 said

To be honest, I have to ask myself what people's motivations are. I can clearly see the benefits the site gets from keeping dead and inactive accounts alive, and I understand the motivations of those who want the dead weight cleared. But for those fighting tooth and nail to keep accounts that have been inactive for years visible, I just can't see a credible reason. Years is a long time, really. Do you think those users are going to mind that they aren't showing up in photographers' or models' searches if they haven't logged in for so long? I just don't see it. And if all they needed to do was log in to reactivate, is that really such a bad thing? If they truly don’t want to return and log in, why are we holding on to all their stuff? :-)  And if they have to come back to reactivate, who knows, maybe they’ll have a shoot or two while they’re here. it's an incentive to participate.

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I fail to understand why this is an issue and why people are trying to influence what happens to other people's portfolios. If you don't want to see the portfolios of people who haven't logged in for however long just filter them out. The search facility makes them invisible to you. 

It's nobody else's business if someone wants to maintain a presence, not log in and not delete their account. They might want to return at some point and if the management of PP say that's ok then it's ok.

There are photographers here who log in here every day, have been members since the year dot but haven't shot for years and from that you could summise they are never going to shoot again, well they aren't much use to models searching for photographers to work with are they? Maybe they should be given the heave ho to I mean what are their motivations for being here? 

The pandemic caused a big shift in the gig economy, many models shifted away to other things including OF, I think that will change, there have been a few models returning recently. Whether that's because flashing their fanny on OF isn't quite as lucrative as it was or they genuinely miss shooting who knows but I say let's live and let live and just get on with your own life.

Allesandro B said

ANDY00 said

To be honest, I have to ask myself what people's motivations are. I can clearly see the benefits the site gets from keeping dead and inactive accounts alive, and I understand the motivations of those who want the dead weight cleared. But for those fighting tooth and nail to keep accounts that have been inactive for years visible, I just can't see a credible reason. Years is a long time, really. Do you think those users are going to mind that they aren't showing up in photographers' or models' searches if they haven't logged in for so long? I just don't see it. And if all they needed to do was log in to reactivate, is that really such a bad thing? If they truly don’t want to return and log in, why are we holding on to all their stuff? :-)  And if they have to come back to reactivate, who knows, maybe they’ll have a shoot or two while they’re here. it's an incentive to participate.

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I fail to understand why this is an issue and why people are trying to influence what happens to other people's portfolios. If you don't want to see the portfolios of people who haven't logged in for however long just filter them out. The search facility makes them invisible to you. 

It's nobody else's business if someone wants to maintain a presence, not log in and not delete their account. They might want to return at some point and if the management of PP say that's ok then it's ok.

There are photographers here who log in here every day, have been members since the year dot but haven't shot for years and from that you could summise they are never going to shoot again, well they aren't much use to models searching for photographers to work with are they? Maybe they should be given the heave ho to I mean what are their motivations for being here? 

The pandemic caused a big shift in the gig economy, many models shifted away to other things including OF, I think that will change, there have been a few models returning recently. Whether that's because flashing their fanny on OF isn't quite as lucrative as it was or they genuinely miss shooting who knows but I say let's live and let live and just get on with your own life.

I completely fail to see how your response is connected to my comment in any way. Firstly, nobody is suggesting what should be done with anyone's portfolios—this is about visibility, not deletion or forced action. It’s a non-destructive approach that simply removes long-term inactive profiles from searches, which is a standard practice on most social platforms across the internet. If someone hasn’t logged into the site for over a year, they’re clearly not actively participating. And if all it takes to reappear in searches is logging back in, where’s the harm? It encourages people to stay engaged with the site, while also keeping searches relevant for those looking for active collaborators. It’s not about controlling anyone’s portfolio or account, just about maintaining an active and productive community and encouraging participation.

It doesn't prevent people from messaging them, it doesn’t affect any FPIs they’ve earned, and it doesn’t alter their portfolio in any way. The only change is that long-term inactive profiles would be hidden from active members' searches. They can still be found by those directly searching for them or in images they are tagged in, and everything stays intact, waiting for them to log in and become active again. It’s just about keeping search results relevant and decluttered, not erasing anyone’s presence or accomplishments.

Since you felt the need to quote my question out of context, why not answer it directly? Why exactly do you want to keep 3-5 year inactive accounts active in searches? What personal benefit do you get from it? I’m genuinely curious. How does a model's portfolio, untouched and inactive for 5 years, positively influence your use of the site? Because, to be honest, it feels like you're defending the haunted house section and I’m not sure why. Enlighten me.

Oh, and your line 'There are photographers here who log in every day'—yes, exactly! They log in every day, or frequently, or even monthly. That’s the point—they participate in the community, unlike those who haven’t logged in for 5 years. It’s not really the same thing, is it? And sure, people get older and may not be able to do as much as they once did for multiple reasons, and that’s perfectly fine. They can still be involved in other capacities within the community or take a break—that’s their choice, nobody is saying they cant in any way

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ANDY00 If you're only looking for them to be hidden from searches then all you have to do is use the "Active Within" filter in the search.

FarmerSteve said

ANDY00 If you're only looking for them to be hidden from searches then all you have to do is use the "Active Within" filter in the search.

I get that, but the point is this could be automated. What’s the benefit of viewing portfolios that haven’t been used or updated in up to 5 years?

I totally understand why the site wants to keep them, and I also get why some members want them hidden in searches.

What I don’t understand is why anyone would argue to keep these inactive profiles visible in searches after years. So far, no one arguing to keep them has given any real reason beyond 'you can hide them in your search settings, not one person has been able to say "well accounts innactive for 1-5 years are great in searches becouse -" ? what benefit do they have at all ?

So far, the only valid reasoning seems to favor hiding inactive profiles in searches, as those advocating to keep them visible haven’t justified their argument. They keep repeating the same line—'you can hide them in your search if you don’t want to see them'—but they still can’t explain why anyone would want to see profiles that have been inactive for years.

ANDY00 because a member not being active on this site doesn't mean that they aren't active elsewhere - seeing their profile on here might get the searcher to look elsewhere to find that person. Or seeing images that person has been involved in creating may give someone some inspiration. As someone arguing for a change it's down to you to justify that change - given that the functionality you want us already there, albeit not the default setting, I don't see that you've made a particularly strong case for changing it. Note that you can also save the "Active Within" as part of your default search parameters.

ANDY00 said

Allesandro B said

ANDY00 said

To be honest, I have to ask myself what people's motivations are. I can clearly see the benefits the site gets from keeping dead and inactive accounts alive, and I understand the motivations of those who want the dead weight cleared. But for those fighting tooth and nail to keep accounts that have been inactive for years visible, I just can't see a credible reason. Years is a long time, really. Do you think those users are going to mind that they aren't showing up in photographers' or models' searches if they haven't logged in for so long? I just don't see it. And if all they needed to do was log in to reactivate, is that really such a bad thing? If they truly don’t want to return and log in, why are we holding on to all their stuff? :-)  And if they have to come back to reactivate, who knows, maybe they’ll have a shoot or two while they’re here. it's an incentive to participate.

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I fail to understand why this is an issue and why people are trying to influence what happens to other people's portfolios. If you don't want to see the portfolios of people who haven't logged in for however long just filter them out. The search facility makes them invisible to you. 

It's nobody else's business if someone wants to maintain a presence, not log in and not delete their account. They might want to return at some point and if the management of PP say that's ok then it's ok.

There are photographers here who log in here every day, have been members since the year dot but haven't shot for years and from that you could summise they are never going to shoot again, well they aren't much use to models searching for photographers to work with are they? Maybe they should be given the heave ho to I mean what are their motivations for being here? 

The pandemic caused a big shift in the gig economy, many models shifted away to other things including OF, I think that will change, there have been a few models returning recently. Whether that's because flashing their fanny on OF isn't quite as lucrative as it was or they genuinely miss shooting who knows but I say let's live and let live and just get on with your own life.

I completely fail to see how your response is connected to my comment in any way. Firstly, nobody is suggesting what should be done with anyone's portfolios—this is about visibility, not deletion or forced action. It’s a non-destructive approach that simply removes long-term inactive profiles from searches, which is a standard practice on most social platforms across the internet. If someone hasn’t logged into the site for over a year, they’re clearly not actively participating. And if all it takes to reappear in searches is logging back in, where’s the harm? It encourages people to stay engaged with the site, while also keeping searches relevant for those looking for active collaborators. It’s not about controlling anyone’s portfolio or account, just about maintaining an active and productive community and encouraging participation.

It doesn't prevent people from messaging them, it doesn’t affect any FPIs they’ve earned, and it doesn’t alter their portfolio in any way. The only change is that long-term inactive profiles would be hidden from active members' searches. They can still be found by those directly searching for them or in images they are tagged in, and everything stays intact, waiting for them to log in and become active again. It’s just about keeping search results relevant and decluttered, not erasing anyone’s presence or accomplishments.

Since you felt the need to quote my question out of context, why not answer it directly? Why exactly do you want to keep 3-5 year inactive accounts active in searches? What personal benefit do you get from it? I’m genuinely curious. How does a model's portfolio, untouched and inactive for 5 years, positively influence your use of the site? Because, to be honest, it feels like you're defending the haunted house section and I’m not sure why. Enlighten me.

Oh, and your line 'There are photographers here who log in every day'—yes, exactly! They log in every day, or frequently, or even monthly. That’s the point—they participate in the community, unlike those who haven’t logged in for 5 years. It’s not really the same thing, is it? And sure, people get older and may not be able to do as much as they once did for multiple reasons, and that’s perfectly fine. They can still be involved in other capacities within the community or take a break—that’s their choice, nobody is saying they cant in any way

 

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I've answered your question, how long someone's account has been inactive is absolutely none of my business. Just because someone hasn't logged for a while in doesn't mean they are not "using" the site (albeit not in the way you want them to). It's still a portfolio presence and it may have a link to somewhere where they are more active.

It's all academic, the facility exists to filter the profiles you don't want to see and most importantly Russ has said it's not happening.

FarmerSteve said

ANDY00 because a member not being active on this site doesn't mean that they aren't active elsewhere - seeing their profile on here might get the searcher to look elsewhere to find that person. Or seeing images that person has been involved in creating may give someone some inspiration. As someone arguing for a change it's down to you to justify that change - given that the functionality you want us already there, albeit not the default setting, I don't see that you've made a particularly strong case for changing it. Note that you can also save the "Active Within" as part of your default search parameters.

I would guess that every member who’s no longer active on this site is active somewhere else, but I fail to see how that’s relevant to this discussion in any way or this site in anyway. As I've clearly explained, having an account that’s been inactive for 1-5 years not showing up in searches doesn’t stop people from messaging them. They’d still show up in direct searches or tagged images. Their images would still be here, and their FPIs would remain untouched. Have you actually read any of this? It seems like you’re just replying blindly without any consideration of the options being proposed, you are litrally answering jibberish. 

FarmerSteve - "I don't see that you've made a particularly strong case for changing it." thats rubbish ive offered a fair and balanced reason throughout, you simply and clearly havent read them or you wouldnt be adding uninformed replies, maybe go back and read what i actually sugguested and offer a real reason why having long term innactive accounts in every search helps anyone. 

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WJM Videography said

As far as models are concerned we live in the arse end of the universe and if (and it’s a big if) you find an active model here arranging a shoot is like winning the lottery. It’s Too wet, too cold, too windy, yup the weather here sucks, so as this little country is battered by the weather and not forgetting Irish models are as rare as hens teeth chances are you’ll find very few models active here in not so sunny Ireland …… I gave up looking

Ohhhh and Michelle and I are from Yeovil lol

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Its no better a little east in Wiltshire I'm afraid.  Models seem to start at Slough maybe?

Allesandro B said

ANDY00 said

Allesandro B said

ANDY00 said

To be honest, I have to ask myself what people's motivations are. I can clearly see the benefits the site gets from keeping dead and inactive accounts alive, and I understand the motivations of those who want the dead weight cleared. But for those fighting tooth and nail to keep accounts that have been inactive for years visible, I just can't see a credible reason. Years is a long time, really. Do you think those users are going to mind that they aren't showing up in photographers' or models' searches if they haven't logged in for so long? I just don't see it. And if all they needed to do was log in to reactivate, is that really such a bad thing? If they truly don’t want to return and log in, why are we holding on to all their stuff? :-)  And if they have to come back to reactivate, who knows, maybe they’ll have a shoot or two while they’re here. it's an incentive to participate.

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I fail to understand why this is an issue and why people are trying to influence what happens to other people's portfolios. If you don't want to see the portfolios of people who haven't logged in for however long just filter them out. The search facility makes them invisible to you. 

It's nobody else's business if someone wants to maintain a presence, not log in and not delete their account. They might want to return at some point and if the management of PP say that's ok then it's ok.

There are photographers here who log in here every day, have been members since the year dot but haven't shot for years and from that you could summise they are never going to shoot again, well they aren't much use to models searching for photographers to work with are they? Maybe they should be given the heave ho to I mean what are their motivations for being here? 

The pandemic caused a big shift in the gig economy, many models shifted away to other things including OF, I think that will change, there have been a few models returning recently. Whether that's because flashing their fanny on OF isn't quite as lucrative as it was or they genuinely miss shooting who knows but I say let's live and let live and just get on with your own life.

I completely fail to see how your response is connected to my comment in any way. Firstly, nobody is suggesting what should be done with anyone's portfolios—this is about visibility, not deletion or forced action. It’s a non-destructive approach that simply removes long-term inactive profiles from searches, which is a standard practice on most social platforms across the internet. If someone hasn’t logged into the site for over a year, they’re clearly not actively participating. And if all it takes to reappear in searches is logging back in, where’s the harm? It encourages people to stay engaged with the site, while also keeping searches relevant for those looking for active collaborators. It’s not about controlling anyone’s portfolio or account, just about maintaining an active and productive community and encouraging participation.

It doesn't prevent people from messaging them, it doesn’t affect any FPIs they’ve earned, and it doesn’t alter their portfolio in any way. The only change is that long-term inactive profiles would be hidden from active members' searches. They can still be found by those directly searching for them or in images they are tagged in, and everything stays intact, waiting for them to log in and become active again. It’s just about keeping search results relevant and decluttered, not erasing anyone’s presence or accomplishments.

Since you felt the need to quote my question out of context, why not answer it directly? Why exactly do you want to keep 3-5 year inactive accounts active in searches? What personal benefit do you get from it? I’m genuinely curious. How does a model's portfolio, untouched and inactive for 5 years, positively influence your use of the site? Because, to be honest, it feels like you're defending the haunted house section and I’m not sure why. Enlighten me.

Oh, and your line 'There are photographers here who log in every day'—yes, exactly! They log in every day, or frequently, or even monthly. That’s the point—they participate in the community, unlike those who haven’t logged in for 5 years. It’s not really the same thing, is it? And sure, people get older and may not be able to do as much as they once did for multiple reasons, and that’s perfectly fine. They can still be involved in other capacities within the community or take a break—that’s their choice, nobody is saying they cant in any way

 

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I've answered your question, how long someone's account has been inactive is absolutely none of my business. Just because someone hasn't logged for a while in doesn't mean they are not "using" the site (albeit not in the way you want them to). It's still a portfolio presence and it may have a link to somewhere where they are more active.

It's all academic, the facility exists to filter the profiles you don't want to see and most importantly Russ has said it's not happening.

Mmmhmm, so your big argument is that they might not be on the site but somehow they're still using it—telepathy, maybe? If the account has been inactive for 1 to 5 years and they haven't logged in, they certainly aren’t picking up the mail, are they?

And still, the only big argument from the 'keep inactive accounts visible' crowd is, 'You can change the search filter every time you search'—, right? Oh, and let’s not forget the telepathy theory—maybe they’re using their mind powers to pick up their messages after being offline for five years. Makes total sense, great Debating points :-)

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Active or not they are present in the site statistics. Take away all of the inactive accounts and the membership would be much smaller. This would not be good for marketing purposes and therefore will not happen. I think this is probably true of other sites too.

art65 said

Active or not they are present in the site statistics. Take away all of the inactive accounts and the membership would be much smaller. This would not be good for marketing purposes and therefore will not happen. I think this is probably true of other sites too.

No one is sugguesting closing accounts, read the post, only asking to hide long term innactive accounts from searches until they log back in, they would still be members and there accounts would still be there. and all social sites do similar things to encourage daily or frequent activity its a normal internet culture. 

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The site does allow you to hide the inactive accounts in search and you can even choose how long the period of inactivity is that results in them not being visible. What is actually wrong with that? How are you adversely affected?

If you want to find someone for whatever reason you can. What is wrong with that?

If you are an ex model and just want to show someone your old model page without logging in, you can, what is wrong with that?

The owner has stated they won't be hiding or deactivating accounts, what is wrong with that?

You can look up an old account if you suspect a new account to be fake. What is wrong with that?

You have all the personal choices you could want. You just don't get to decide what is best for others just because you don't like it