False alarms, unwarranted suspicions, blacklisting and spurning loves
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Gothic Image said, 1727426847
ANDY00 said
Gothic Image said
ANDY00 said
Gothic Image said
I get equally fed up with "Model not on PP". Presumably they have a name, though?
Again, there can be many reasons why models don’t want to be tagged. Many of the people featured in my work aren’t professional models—they’re friends. Some have moved on to careers like child care, where they prefer not to be tagged, and that’s their choice. Why can’t people just enjoy the images and if it sais not on site just move on its not a model you can work with, a tantrum wont change that.
It's not a tantrum - for serial non-crediters it's about not respecting the other parties in the image. If it doesn't worry you, fair enough!
And "serial non-crediters" go to the trouble of typing "not on PP," presumably because they don’t want to tag individuals out of spite or laziness? That seems strange. doesnt seem right to me.I would suggest accepting that they may have a valid reason for not tagging. If not, it’s up to the creative involved to request being tagged—not your responsibility.
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That wouldn't be a serial non-crediter then, would it? :-)
Photowallah said, 1727427053
Why is this anybody's business other than the people concerned in making the image?
ANDY00 said, 1727427531
Gothic Image said
ANDY00 said
Gothic Image said
ANDY00 said
Gothic Image said
I get equally fed up with "Model not on PP". Presumably they have a name, though?
Again, there can be many reasons why models don’t want to be tagged. Many of the people featured in my work aren’t professional models—they’re friends. Some have moved on to careers like child care, where they prefer not to be tagged, and that’s their choice. Why can’t people just enjoy the images and if it sais not on site just move on its not a model you can work with, a tantrum wont change that.
It's not a tantrum - for serial non-crediters it's about not respecting the other parties in the image. If it doesn't worry you, fair enough!
And "serial non-crediters" go to the trouble of typing "not on PP," presumably because they don’t want to tag individuals out of spite or laziness? That seems strange. doesnt seem right to me.I would suggest accepting that they may have a valid reason for not tagging. If not, it’s up to the creative involved to request being tagged—not your responsibility.
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That wouldn't be a serial non-crediter then, would it? :-)
But as you said, they aren’t crediting. The fact is, you don’t know why they haven’t, and it’s not your business unless they choose to tell you. It’s entirely up to them, not you. You can enjoy the images and the information provided. What they omit is private and none of your concern. thats just a fact
Barney57 said, 1727428219
Surely it’s a matter between the photographer and the model. Nothing to do with the rest of us, it’s entirely up to them.
Allesandro B said, 1727428828
Photowallah said
Why is this anybody's business other than the people concerned in making the image?
Completely this, some people just go through life looking to be offended and if they can't find a reason they'll be offended on somebody else's behalf.
If a model is not on PP I don't bother saying "model not on PP" and I'm certainly not going to put her name in the notes. If as a photographer a model isn't tagged then message and ask. I've only ever had one photographer here read and not respond, it wasn't hard to find out who the model was and as it happened the picture he had posted was 5 years out of date.
There are models who don't accept tags or rarely accept tags in those cases I'll save them the effort and not bother.
As Stu said above it's only photographers that a lack of tagging seems to bother. I don't think most models care one way or the other unless they are just starting out. For the models who like to approve tags it's probably a blessing if they are not tagged in the first case, saves them trawling through the images and deciding whether their nose looks too big or whatever other criteria they use to decide whether to accept a tag (that's tongue in cheek by the way for those people who are looking to be offended)
Lenswonder said, 1727429592
This is a not a problem, the people who stated it's not anyone else's business have got it right.
What interested me in the title was the use of blacklisting but that's not even been mentioned on the thread just tags.
Tagging is no one's business but those involved in the shoot.
A few times I see a completely different model tagged than the one in the photo, I don't inbox the photographer I just move on.
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Brian Lewicki said, 1727429579
I know a model that will not wish to be tagged if the photography doesn’t reach his/her standards but quite happy to be paid for said shoot.
indemnity said, 1727430162
There is obligation to have to tag or name anybody. Nothing to discuss here....the end.
indemnity said, 1727430281
Brian Lewicki said
I know a model that will not wish to be tagged if the photography doesn’t reach his/her standards but quite happy to be paid for said shoot.
Rightly so.
Paranoid Android Photography said, 1727430846
Photowallah said
Why is this anybody's business other than the people concerned in making the image?
This.
philsphotos said, 1727435615
Please no discussion about the rights and wrongs of tagging, or of the merits and demerits of insisting on approving tags before visibility.
My suggestion is aimed solely at avoiding/reducing the unpleasantries that DO result from a certain combination.
Thelema said
Is this really necessary? As Tabatha said, above its easy to just a shame that Model didn’t except the tag yet!
It is simple fact that people often don't assume that. And of course they are right not to assume that because it may not be a correct assumption!
Lenswonder said
What interested me in the title was the use of blacklisting but that's not even been mentioned on the thread just tags.
I recall discussion on previous threads of people noting "serial offenders" failing to tag. Presumably they have some kind of mental or physical list of "offences". Perhaps use of the word "blacklisting" was a little strong. But if I upload an image, and the model is slow in accepting the tag, it does seem evident that the apparently missing tag may be noted.
Allesandro B said, 1727436106
philsphotos said
Please no discussion about the rights and wrongs of tagging, or of the merits and demerits of insisting on approving tags before visibility.
My suggestion is aimed solely at avoiding/reducing the unpleasantries that DO result from a certain combination.
Thelema said
Is this really necessary? As Tabatha said, above its easy to just a shame that Model didn’t except the tag yet!
It is simple fact that people often don't assume that. And of course they are right not to assume that because it may not be a correct assumption!Lenswonder said
What interested me in the title was the use of blacklisting but that's not even been mentioned on the thread just tags.
I recall discussion on previous threads of people noting "serial offenders" failing to tag. Presumably they have some kind of mental or physical list of "offences". Perhaps use of the word "blacklisting" was a little strong. But if I upload an image, and the model is slow in accepting the tag, it does seem evident that the apparently missing tag may be noted.
Honestly I wouldn't worry about it, there are a few people who have been vocal about the fact that they note down the "serial offenders" and will never love their images, I mean that's a big loss isn't it? they just need to get over themselves, they are probably the same people who don't like images because it's a wet afternoon on a Wednesday or whatever other reason they can find not to like something they otherwise might deign to if they were feeling really generous.
ANDY00 said, 1727437385
Allesandro B said
philsphotos said
Please no discussion about the rights and wrongs of tagging, or of the merits and demerits of insisting on approving tags before visibility.
My suggestion is aimed solely at avoiding/reducing the unpleasantries that DO result from a certain combination.
Thelema said
Is this really necessary? As Tabatha said, above its easy to just a shame that Model didn’t except the tag yet!
It is simple fact that people often don't assume that. And of course they are right not to assume that because it may not be a correct assumption!Lenswonder said
What interested me in the title was the use of blacklisting but that's not even been mentioned on the thread just tags.
I recall discussion on previous threads of people noting "serial offenders" failing to tag. Presumably they have some kind of mental or physical list of "offences". Perhaps use of the word "blacklisting" was a little strong. But if I upload an image, and the model is slow in accepting the tag, it does seem evident that the apparently missing tag may be noted.
Honestly I wouldn't worry about it, there are a few people who have been vocal about the fact that they note down the "serial offenders" and will never love their images, I mean that's a big loss isn't it? they just need to get over themselves, they are probably the same people who don't like images because it's a wet afternoon on a Wednesday or whatever other reason they can find not to like something they otherwise might deign to if they were feeling really generous.
Just think about those highlighted words for a second. That's someone trying to blackmail another creative into providing information they’ve deliberately chosen to omit for a reason. Also, it’s someone who believes their appreciation of the image is dependent on other factors, rather than simply liking the actual image. Narcissistic much? :-) They need to drop the mic already—you either love the image or you don’t. Don’t put a price on it like your vote holds more weight than it actually does because Personally, I’d rather someone like that doesn’t like my work or have anything to say about it because their feedback probably won’t be positive unless I’m paying for it on some level.
Me - everyone knows if I like an image, I’ll show it no matter what. I’ve disagreed with plenty of people on this forum, but that hasn’t stopped me from liking or suggesting images because that has nothing to do with whether I like an image or not. I’m here for the art and conversation. I like what I like, and I have my own opinions—I don’t put a price on either.
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Sensual Art said, 1727437740
philsphotos said
Thelema said
Is this really necessary? As Tabitha said, above its easy to just a shame that Model didn’t accept the tag yet!
It is simple fact that people often don't assume that. And of course they are right not to assume that because it may not be a correct assumption!
It's only a valid question to ask, though, in the minds of those who have little better to do than to find fault, rather than to appreciate all the great pictures that are on here and be supportive of the community.
