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False alarms, unwarranted suspicions, blacklisting and spurning loves

 

philsphotos

By philsphotos, 1727414987

Please coud we have a statement "The model has been tagged" in the grey information section of an image for the first 24 hours of its life. To be there for all images where a model has been tagged, regardless of whether the tag requires/awaits approval or has been rejected.

Or perhaps this information could be conveyed in some other way.

Otherwise all the nasties in the title of this thread happen.

For example false alarms. Often (very often actually) I've recognised an apparently untagged model in a recent image. My immediate fear is that she may have left the site. Its usually a false alarm. But I'd much rather not have these false alarms.

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Tabitha Boydell said, 1727415762

I just think she must have tag approvals turned on. I don’t think anything else

Stu H said, 1727415976

Why just for models?

Plenty of models don't tag photographers and yet, somehow, that's less of a issue.

Tabitha Boydell said, 1727421570

I literally had no idea that this went through peoples heads when they saw the model wasn’t tagged

philsphotos said, 1727421731

Tabitha Boydell said

I just think she must have tag approvals turned on. I don’t think anything else

I wish I had a glass half-full outlook. Perhaps I'd have been a successful businessman.

Being somewhere in the middle of the spectrum.... questioning everything...never assuming anything...is no fun at all.

philsphotos said, 1727421779

Stu H said

Why just for models?

Plenty of models don't tag photographers and yet, somehow, that's less of a issue.

Fair point.

ANDY00 said, 1727422753

The system is designed this way because it forces creators uploading images to take responsibility for tagging those involved, as it’s something the site can't feasibly manage for every user. It’s also been discussed many times here that it’s not practical or fair to force creators to tag others for multiple reasons—it just isn’t possible.

When you upload an image, it’s your responsibility to ensure that all involved creatives are tagged. If you miss this step, it’s up to those other creatives to reach out and ask why. This platform acts as a middleman to connect creatives and showcase their work, but it doesn’t take the shot for you or force tagging. Some may not want to be tagged, some may not be on this site, and there are often more reasons not to tag than to tag. The onus is on you.

Often, I see images that were uploaded up to a year before finally hitting FPI status, and then you get models upset that the photographer hasn’t tagged them, or vice versa, with photographers complaining. My thought is—if it took you a year to check and now you’re upset? In those cases, I believe admin can step in to add the tag, but really, in the span of a year, you should’ve had a look at the work you were involved in or with people you’ve worked with.

Also, some models or photographers may choose not to be tagged if the work doesn’t meet the standard of what’s already showcased in their portfolio—that’s their choice. There may be other reasons they don’t want to be linked to that specific work, and that’s their right.

You agree on a shoot, do your best, act professionally, and create the images. You tag those involved if possible, and then you showcase the work. If someone chooses not to be tagged, you move on. The most important thing is that you act professionally and create the best quality work that everyone involved has agreed upon.

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Thelema said, 1727422551

Is this really necessary? As Tabatha said, above its easy to just a shame that Model didn’t except the tag yet!

There is one very popular model on here, who never except tags, I knew this going in when I went to shoot with her it’s of no consequence to me and even if she did leave the site I would just find her on Instagram where most Model seem to be now!

Sensual Art said, 1727422660

The question "Why don't photographers tag models?" - or sometimes its equivalent assertion "Photographers should always tag or identify models" - gets asked from time to time.  Sometimes it's from someone who is either unaware or ignoring the fact that many of their own images don't have a model tagged or otherwise identified.  Yeah, that last category of post never ends well :')

The question is answered in https://purpleport.com/articles/1133/crediting-other-members-in-images-1/ which summarises the range of answers that will typically be given.  The one note in there that I'd highlight is

The general consensus is that the one thing it's normally not is any sort of "protection", i.e. one person wanting to limit who gets to work with "their" favoured collaborator.  It might happen, of course, but it's generally considered to be very rare.

Which brings me back to the OP's concerns.  There are simply too many innocent and valid reasons why people don't get tagged for me to waste my energy worrying about it.  And yes, I get what you're saying about being on the spectrum, but it's possible to retrain your mind, at least to become more accepting of any given situation :)

Gothic Image said, 1727424427

I get equally fed up with "Model not on PP".  Presumably they have a name, though?

ClickMore 📷 said, 1727424602

Often members choose not to be tagged or de-tag because the images are of poor quality or are edited badly and don't want to be associated with the image. Every day I see images that are very poorly taken/edited of members who usually look amazing. I have in the past had some of my images put up that I took, which I have never attempted to edit and de-tagged. These were in the days when TF was more common and the agreement was to supply unedited images for the other party in the shoot to select edits.

ANDY00 said, 1727425137

Gothic Image said

I get equally fed up with "Model not on PP".  Presumably they have a name, though?


Again, there can be many reasons why models don’t want to be tagged. Many of the people featured in my work aren’t professional models—they’re friends. Some have moved on to careers like child care, where they prefer not to be tagged, and that’s their choice. Why can’t people just enjoy the images and if it sais not on site just move on its not a model you can work with, a tantrum wont change that. 


Gothic Image said, 1727425267

ANDY00 said

Gothic Image said

I get equally fed up with "Model not on PP".  Presumably they have a name, though?


Again, there can be many reasons why models don’t want to be tagged. Many of the people featured in my work aren’t professional models—they’re friends. Some have moved on to careers like child care, where they prefer not to be tagged, and that’s their choice. Why can’t people just enjoy the images and if it sais not on site just move on its not a model you can work with, a tantrum wont change that. 


It's not a tantrum - for serial non-crediters it's about not respecting the other parties in the image.  If it doesn't worry you, fair enough!

ANDY00 said, 1727425908

Gothic Image said

ANDY00 said

Gothic Image said

I get equally fed up with "Model not on PP".  Presumably they have a name, though?


Again, there can be many reasons why models don’t want to be tagged. Many of the people featured in my work aren’t professional models—they’re friends. Some have moved on to careers like child care, where they prefer not to be tagged, and that’s their choice. Why can’t people just enjoy the images and if it sais not on site just move on its not a model you can work with, a tantrum wont change that. 


It's not a tantrum - for serial non-crediters it's about not respecting the other parties in the image.  If it doesn't worry you, fair enough!


And "serial non-crediters" go to the trouble of typing "not on PP," presumably because they don’t want to tag individuals out of spite or laziness? That seems strange. doesnt seem right to me.

I would suggest accepting that they may have a valid reason for not tagging. If not, it’s up to the creative involved to request being tagged—not your responsibility.

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Bad Dolly said, 1727426351

Lensworks said, 1727426836

ANDY00 said

Gothic Image said

ANDY00 said

Gothic Image said

I get equally fed up with "Model not on PP".  Presumably they have a name, though?


Again, there can be many reasons why models don’t want to be tagged. Many of the people featured in my work aren’t professional models—they’re friends. Some have moved on to careers like child care, where they prefer not to be tagged, and that’s their choice. Why can’t people just enjoy the images and if it sais not on site just move on its not a model you can work with, a tantrum wont change that. 


It's not a tantrum - for serial non-crediters it's about not respecting the other parties in the image.  If it doesn't worry you, fair enough!


And "serial non-crediters" go to the trouble of typing "not on PP," presumably because they don’t want to tag individuals out of spite or laziness? That seems strange. doesnt seem right to me.

I would suggest accepting that they may have a valid reason for not tagging. If not, it’s up to the creative involved to request being tagged—not your responsibility.

Edited by ANDY00


Agreed.. Plenty of valid reasons. I was talking to a model that wasn't tagged in images yesterday and I asked why. She said, it was because a work colleague had joined the site and didn't want him seeing images of her that weren't SFW. Absolutely valid reason not to be tagged.