How would you change direction

MaristarOxley said

Photowallah Thank you for your thoughts on this. I'm not looking for an answer to my casting, necessarily. I'm opening up a conversation about how a photographer would approach any casting that is looking for a style that the photographer has applied to. For me, there has to be a glimpse at the very least of some kind of connection between their own work and what the model is wanting to shoot.

That's fair comment Maristar. That's not to say a photographer couldn't try his or her hand at something new, but then don't expect accomplished results. Of course if they have a fashion portfolio but don't display it on PP they should be able, and willing, to share some examples with you.

To do 'proper' editorial fashion type images takes a large budget, attention to detail, a model who excels in the genre, a decent team supporting the photographer including mua, hair, stylist, assistants, excellent post work too. All I've witnessed on here is clothed fashion 'type' shots, which is fine as there are very few competent fashion photographers and not really the site for dedicated fashion work or many suitable fashion models.

Having said that there's no reason why you can't add good suitable 'fashion style images' from posting a casting on here. Styling is going to be key along with a competent photographer to get acceptable results. Fashion encompasses a very broad range of style/concept from mundane to outright bonkers.

You'd probably be best putting the styling together yourself first then once you have the concept cast for a photographer who can deliver. I've done 'hobby fashion shoots' before, it ain't easy even doing those. It's easier in a studio environment as you can take your time, weather is not an issue, you don't need as much assistance getting it all set up, most of it can be pre planned. You do need a good space and the right equipment to pull off a good set though. It might also be worth using a competent retoucher experienced in this field of work if you want top results. My 2p.

The only UK networking site for fashion closed down years ago. PP has barely any fashion. Your best bet might be approach actual fashion photographers directly.

GDSandy Photography you're going too much into it. I use the term fashion as a general concept which is clothing, vibe, attitude in an image, that is not focused on the female (or male or other) as focus, other than to enhance the clothing and to read the location they're in. There's no need to go into whether it's magazine material, commercial...I would be thinking that way, when I go to castings for my agencies. PP should be more creative than it is, when it comes to fashion type shoots and more updated.

Huw fashion does not always mean big budget. There's a successful photographer called Si Melber who mainly shoots without a team. He gets agency models and will provide some basic clothing, which are styled in a fashion way and he shoots mostly in he streets of London. His approach to how he places the models and how he allows them to just be, is what makes the difference between documenting what's in front of you and creating something cool

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Stanmore I wasn't moaning about a lack. It's more a conversation. I started the post after a casting I put out and the applicants were keen to do it, however they all presented zero examples, or ability to do such a genre. I have an extensive portfolio on IG and so I am not short of photographers.

indemnity I've been doing my own styling since day one. I also have access to clothes for crazier fashion shoots and at no cost other than getting to the company that loans outfits for shoots. It's not expensive. If this is the reason for not shooting this style on here, then how come most of you all, pay models for shoots that can be so meh quality, but you wouldn't pay to hire a studio for a few hours and perhaps get a really great TFP shoot with some great fashion models on here.

MaristarOxley yes, I noticed your styling ability long ago. Very impressive.

MaristarOxley said

indemnity I've been doing my own styling since day one. I also have access to clothes for crazier fashion shoots and at no cost other than getting to the company that loans outfits for shoots. It's not expensive. If this is the reason for not shooting this style on here, then how come most of you all, pay models for shoots that can be so meh quality, but you wouldn't pay to hire a studio for a few hours and perhaps get a really great TFP shoot with some great fashion models on here.

You've got it cracked then just carry on....I personally only to TF, studio 90% of the time but I'm unlikely to grace the cover of Harper's or similar. Quite content with my 'meh' images.

MaristarOxley Thank you so much for your kind words. Now I understand how you define fashion! I would never think I shot with this image fashion. I appreciate your time!

Cheers!

MaristarOxley said

indemnity I've been doing my own styling since day one. I also have access to clothes for crazier fashion shoots and at no cost other than getting to the company that loans outfits for shoots. It's not expensive. If this is the reason for not shooting this style on here, then how come most of you all, pay models for shoots that can be so meh quality, but you wouldn't pay to hire a studio for a few hours and perhaps get a really great TFP shoot with some great fashion models on here.

-  then how come most of you all, pay models for shoots that can be so meh quality

I'm not sure I really want to work with someone who probably thinks my shoots are trash.

- but you wouldn't pay to hire a studio for a few hours and perhaps get a really great TFP shoot with some great fashion models on here.

There are PP models who want to shoot TFP Fashion if I book a studio? Not from many of my messages. Then again. my shots are meh?

Maybe the people who could apply and demonstrate previous experience, didn't see the casting - don't need to look at castings or are not interested or very busy shooting their own projects and cannot take on any more.

It is never anyone else's fault if you cannot find here what you are looking for, no one is obliged to change to suit anyone else unless they actually want to. If that means some of us will burn in hell for not shooting what others would have us do, so be it. That is the trouble with having your own choice, to do that means everyone else gets their own choice too.

I thought the original question was about how we would tackle something we were interested in but had no experience, if I thought it was going to be how it has turned out - a critique of what others choose to shoot, I wouldn't have got involved as I am looking for people for my projects and I am not interested in other people's

MaristarOxley said

I recently put out a casting to do a Fashion led shoot. I received a fair amount of replies and none had any examples of doing fashion. In fact all were far from displaying photos with a clothed model. One response, when I expressed that I needed a fashion photographer, stated that they were and studied it at Uni. When I asked for examples, they said they don't share those images.

Now I am open to photographers who want to branch out, but I honestly would be interested to know how you would sell yourself in a casting, if you want to try shooting a new genre.

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I don't know about others but if I see a fashion casting call I don't apply if I don't have an interest in shooting fashion. The only acceptable level  to ask for is portrait if you're not into fashion but think you could create something beautiful with that model.

I have mostly art nude photos in my port because that's what I usually end up with the models I work with. But if I saw a casting call for a themed shoot with a model I'm interested in, why wouldn't I apply for that call and adhere to the limits set out in it? After the shoot we can always talk about future shoots and ask about potential further levels. Keywords being asking and future.

It would be fair to say that I find most fashion photography a bit meh. And most glamour photography.