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Kindness when discussing model’s wardrobe

 

Tryst

By Tryst, 1715639010

Just a very small rant after almost 100 shoots this year so far - long enough to be able to pick up some patterns.

The professional thing to do when a model shows you the wardrobe selection she has pulled for the shoot, whether it’s been discussed beforehand or not, is to be clear about what you wish to use or not use, and chalk it up to personal tastes. While most of my photographers do this, there some who make comments about the wardrobe being bad objectively, instead of chalking it up to personal tastes.

Three things.

1 - like most models, I own a huge amount of wardrobe and the selections I’ve made for the shoot are my best ascertainments out of hundreds of garments narrowing it down to 5 or 6 pieces I think will fit the shoot best, based on the work I see in your portfolio and what we’ve discussed. I have put thought into it, and while it’s okay to not approve of my final selections, it’s important not to be rude. In the same way as if a model showed up to a fashion shoot, say it was TFP - and she was wearing an outfit she had clearly thought about in LENGTH, and you are not happy about it - at least try to share some enthusiasm for her outfit because it was probably a hard choice to make. She has probably been fantasising about posing in that exact outfit for weeks. Paid work is different, but - there is a very big difference between declining due to personal tastes, and denigrating their style altogether. I’m not sure many photographers know that this can be a sensitive area.

2- a photographer is, in my mind, hiring a model for her looks and partially her character, and style is involved in that. If you can’t be polite about what she has chosen to shoot in, (knowing you have the final say as photographer)… if you can’t summon manners for her selections - this shuts down a major facet of her creativity. For example, I always have wardrobe that’s in my personal tastes pulled for a shoot, because I have learned through experience that many want my involvement in ideas, they want me to wear what I feel my best in. But I also pull a variety to appease everyone else.

There’s always black, white, colorful, muted, old, new, casual, edgy, simple, couture, fitted, loose - literally, I prioritise variety.

Because 3 - the tastes of photographers vary day to day. Some love complex lingerie with straps, and lace, and buckles - others swear by minimal and sporty lingerie. Some hate neon, some love it. Some like pink and frilly, others despise it. While it is a model’s job to learn what photographs well, and try to cater to trends in peoples tastes - there’s no way for us to fully predict what you will want to shoot the most, because there is no pattern to it, everyone wants something different. What one loves the next will hate and so on. I’ve tried narrowing it down, it is impossible. The moment I pack away my short dresses, the next shoot wants a short dress. The one shoot I won’t bring a long dress to, that’s all they want to shoot. Beyond the basic kit of simple lingerie, tshirt and jeans, heels, and a sheer scarf - we can’t tell beforehand what you want/like, so please try not to berate us for what we end up bringing. Be polite!

It’s not okay to show up to a shoot with a model who shoots lots of bondage related lingerie and has that in her folio, and calling it “trashy”. Or showing up to a model who loves vintage and has that all over her folio, and calling all her wardrobe “stuffy”.

You don’t need to shoot a model in her signature styles, most of us love to be diverse and try new things. But there has to be some sensitivity to the topic of the fashion choices she has pulled for the shoot, and while I meet work with many photographers who understand conduct in other areas, but fail in this one…and as a nude model who also expresses myself greatly through fashion - it can be a big deal, and make us doubt ourselves for the rest of the shoot…if you say something unnecessarily harsh.

Be polite about it, and we will find something more your tastes.

:)

Andy McG said, 1715639426

Manners cost nothing.

And I always try to give a pinterest board before a shoot and suggest items to bring from other images I've seen.


Tryst said, 1715640147

Totally the more it’s discussed beforehand the better, but many don’t express their interests even when asked and then hate what you brought. Like, too bad sorry :) haha

BLA@K said, 1715662944

1 . When the model arrives I am happy a major worry has been lifted.

2 . I might not be the best and my own dress sense is a little lacking in any sense of style so again a that the model has brought clothing and saves me the worry of choosing .

3 . Belief in your models ability and dress sense is much more than just a bag of old rags it is a bit of an approval for building a relaxed shoot on , I don't believe if discussed a models wardrobe could be wrong and the choices I believe create a kind of comfort zone for the model.

if you can understand what i mean you're a better "person "than I

Abbey A said, 1715665970

Absolutely!

There's taste and opinion, and then there's just being rude

And often, if it isn't to the Photographers style (read:comfort zone) then that is the exact reason to give a look a go And shoot a Wild card set. You May both end up with something totally new.

*to clarify, stepping out of comfort zone is not the same as pushing levels. Just as much as a models levels should be respected, so should the photographers. Im talking more if they only ever shoot high key fashion in bold colours and you've rocked up with a pastel pyjama lounging set, give it a go. You may surprise yourselves

Edited by Abbey A

Ted Smith Photography said, 1715666306

It makes me sad to read that models endure insensitivity. I’m fairly new to the model photo realm but so far I’ve said to all mine “I trust you - choose what you like”. And it never fails (obviously if it was a commercial thing there would need to be stipulations). Because the vibe between model and tog is more important than the outfit. And if she doesn’t like you your shoot is doomed . A model can wear a bin liner for all I care - I’ll still make her shine.

I can read body language like a book and I’ve seen it every time so far - that look of “I hope this is ok” and “I’m worried he won’t like this” and it crushes me. Part of my job, as I see it, is to make anything work no matter what. And I’ve not done bad so far.

paul thomas said, 1715667024

Sadly, these posts have to be said.

Is it just down to how humans treat humans (or any species)? Respect & Kindness in words and deeds cost nothing and when given, could make someone's day instead of breaking their day.

A fair amount of people have become selfish in all walks of life and life is rapidly becoming a 'what I want' rather than 'what's best for all' society.

CalmNudes said, 1715670221

"I’m not sure many photographers know that this can be a sensitive area."

I can only speak for myself,  I live in fear of upsetting models - and the handbrake on my mouth isn't always 100% effective. ( traits of Asperger's) But sometimes I want to shake people and say "I'm supposed to be the one who doesn't get this stuff, and I manage, why on earth can't you ? "

This isn't the first case of a model reporting that picking up camera can make some men forget "The number one rule in life is don't be a dick", and its in their interests to behave so that the model does  her best work.  IF you have given a clear brief and the model didn't follow it, that's one thing, but if you've left some latitude then when she opens the ginormous trunk of clothes she's collated it shouldn't be that hard to pick something, say a few positive words, and get on with shooting.

Abbey A said

 And often, if it isn't to the Photographers style (read:comfort zone) then that is the exact reason to give a look a go And shoot a Wild card set. You May both end up with something totally new.

Sometimes models turn up with stuff I'd never think of asking them to bring and that sparks an idea for something - I even got an FPI because I thought the thing Irida brought to wear between shots looked like something we could use.  If you're creative you can do something in your style but not using the things you had in mind when you went to the studio.


Retoucher Cam said, 1715671498

CalmNudes

"This isn't the first case of a model reporting that picking up camera can make some men forget (that) the number one rule in life is don't be a dick"

... the camera is probably not at fault, to be fair...

HunterT said, 1715672261

pre comms is everything! this situation should never arise. but alas - there is always an opportunity to match an outfit to a location, even if that means shooting abstract to an idea. Try not worry and carry on - you have a lovely port !

Allesandro B said, 1715672765


Tryst said

Totally the more it’s discussed beforehand the better, but many don’t express their interests even when asked and then hate what you brought. Like, too bad sorry :) haha


It's exactly that,  I pretty much always use a mood board and provide a list of what would be good with the caveat that it doesn't matter if they don't have it. 

Like most things in life, communication is the magic ingredient that oils the wheels for a successful shoot but photography does seem to attract some highly introverted people who lack even the most basic social skills.

Gregory Mason said, 1715675782

Do these people just book a model randomly without any forethought, with so many resources  and methods of communication that make the exchange of ideas so much easier than when I  started model photography. I cannot organise a shoot for even the simplest of premises without a mood board, they make life so easier for me and gives the model a idea of what I want to shoot with them. They are only a starting point for me and often the initial ideas are not used as we get further into the shoot and improvise. If the model is touring her wardrobe if limited to what they can travel with, I often have items that used during the shoot.

GDSandy Photography said, 1715676154

Clearly these people are rude and should learn some manners.

I agree wardrobe is tricky.  Pre shoot communications and mood boards reduce the risk of there being no suitable items available at the shoot and if there is a look you want, get the clothes yourself.

Wardrobe is tricky but shoes.... Don't get me started lol

DKirk said, 1715678856

Yeesh, and I thought the folk I work for were bad at communication 😅


Manners cost so little, and you do book a model for their look and style. Things are so much easier now to I've noticed with coming back to shooting after the hiatus with the likes of pintrest being so more common place too.

Byron said, 1715680689

As has been said, comms and manners are the key here. As I recall, you had enough stuff to do about half a dozen shoots without repeating yourself and it was so varied, surely something for everyone was there.

I opted for the simple stuff, as suits me, I'm a simple chap! :-) Good luck with any future shoots though.

indemnity said, 1715681661

People! nothing as strange as folk....nothing else to say, sadly you'll probably have similar from the next 100 shoots.

A lot of these sort of comments are because they have no idea or plan/vision of what they are trying to achieve. If it is TF, they should shoot the outfits and styles you want in addition to anything pre agreed.

Crack on you're doing fine, and your diary if full.....I bet theirs isn't.